How do you feel birthright citizenship benefits you & your fellow citizens?
It has very little impact, one way or the other. When did your family arrive in America? In all probability they came in with birthright as that would cover 1776 through now. Until about 1920, Europeans just came in. No controls, they came and lived and could apply for citizenship but their children born here were American. We had limits on those from other continents who could do that starting about 1890. I am curious how that destroyed America?
They were actually decent people who followed the laws, came here to truly make a better life for themselves, improve the country, and most importantly, they assimilated. Immigrants today do none of those things. They are only here for the goody bags and would kill most of us if given the chance.
We also had a little over a 100M people 100 years ago. Today we're approaching 350M. But you don't care. You will gladly cheer on the destruction of this country including your own destruction because Democrat.
Germans especially arriving in the 1800s did NOT assimilate. Entire communities spoke German, towns wrote laws on German, Ohio required any student who wanted taught in German had to be taught in German. An entire corps of the Army of the Potomac spoke, wait for it, German. Can you imagine the army today having a corps speak only Spanish?
I reject the notion that most today would kill us, mostly because they simply are not. The vast majority are trying to make a better life. Many see their skin color and just assume they are automatically savages that would kill for fun.
We will never have a serious debate on this until the racism is lost. As long as racism is the reason I see zero reason to support amending the law. Sadly, there might be valid reasons to do so but we won't know until the racist arguments go away and drown out valid arguments.
It’s not about race, but you can’t see past race & play that card repeatedly. Using conditions from 200 years is asinine, what is happening today? What are the stated objectives of Muslims for the Middle East & Africa? Can you name one country where they have assimilated? What do you think the objectives of Chinese nationals fly-ins for birthing are?
How do you feel birthright citizenship benefits you & your fellow citizens?
It has very little impact, one way or the other. When did your family arrive in America? In all probability they came in with birthright as that would cover 1776 through now. Until about 1920, Europeans just came in. No controls, they came and lived and could apply for citizenship but their children born here were American. We had limits on those from other continents who could do that starting about 1890. I am curious how that destroyed America?
They were actually decent people who followed the laws, came here to truly make a better life for themselves, improve the country, and most importantly, they assimilated. Immigrants today do none of those things. They are only here for the goody bags and would kill most of us if given the chance.
We also had a little over a 100M people 100 years ago. Today we're approaching 350M. But you don't care. You will gladly cheer on the destruction of this country including your own destruction because Democrat.
Germans especially arriving in the 1800s did NOT assimilate. Entire communities spoke German, towns wrote laws on German, Ohio required any student who wanted taught in German had to be taught in German. An entire corps of the Army of the Potomac spoke, wait for it, German. Can you imagine the army today having a corps speak only Spanish?
I reject the notion that most today would kill us, mostly because they simply are not. The vast majority are trying to make a better life. Many see their skin color and just assume they are automatically savages that would kill for fun.
We will never have a serious debate on this until the racism is lost. As long as racism is the reason I see zero reason to support amending the law. Sadly, there might be valid reasons to do so but we won't know until the racist arguments go away and drown out valid arguments.
Once again they cut immigration by 80% in the 1920s when it was almost all white people coming here. Your claim it's "racism" is bullsh#t.
Banger!
I thought you hated Trump? Every day really is different...
Nope not really. I posted a tweet from Hunter Biden too because it was funny. It wasn't an endorsement.
Trump is right about a lot and also wrong about a lot. His biggest problem has always been the people he hires. He was warned that Amy Comey Barrett was enormous mistake but decided to listen to Mitch McConnell over his own voters.
If it were Europeans & not foreign enemies of the US with no interest in assimilating we’d be fine, but it’s not. You still haven’t listed how this benefits the US. You claim it has little impact, based on what metric?
Foreign enemies? Proof that we have 20 million foreign enemies living in the US. If you had real proof your side wouldn't have made up the "eating pets" crap.
Eating pets doesn’t make someone a foreign enemy.
You still haven’t provided any case as to how birthright citizenship benefits Americans…
How do you feel birthright citizenship benefits you & your fellow citizens?
It has very little impact, one way or the other. When did your family arrive in America? In all probability they came in with birthright as that would cover 1776 through now. Until about 1920, Europeans just came in. No controls, they came and lived and could apply for citizenship but their children born here were American. We had limits on those from other continents who could do that starting about 1890. I am curious how that destroyed America?
They were actually decent people who followed the laws, came here to truly make a better life for themselves, improve the country, and most importantly, they assimilated. Immigrants today do none of those things. They are only here for the goody bags and would kill most of us if given the chance.
We also had a little over a 100M people 100 years ago. Today we're approaching 350M. But you don't care. You will gladly cheer on the destruction of this country including your own destruction because Democrat.
Germans especially arriving in the 1800s did NOT assimilate. Entire communities spoke German, towns wrote laws on German, Ohio required any student who wanted taught in German had to be taught in German. An entire corps of the Army of the Potomac spoke, wait for it, German. Can you imagine the army today having a corps speak only Spanish?
I reject the notion that most today would kill us, mostly because they simply are not. The vast majority are trying to make a better life. Many see their skin color and just assume they are automatically savages that would kill for fun.
We will never have a serious debate on this until the racism is lost. As long as racism is the reason I see zero reason to support amending the law. Sadly, there might be valid reasons to do so but we won't know until the racist arguments go away and drown out valid arguments.
Once again they cut immigration by 80% in the 1920s when it was almost all white people coming here. Your claim it's "racism" is bullsh#t.
Marv screams racism about everything, he’s a race baiter & tries to use it to shut down all arguments. Just read back through this thread. I ask for benefits to Americans of birthright citizenship & his response is “racists!””
@snarlcakes They did cut it, after cutting Chinese 40 years earlier, even though far fewer Chinese were coming over.
Treating Europeans as OK is new. For a long time, Irish, Germans, and Italians were coming over and hated. The Know Nothing party was largely anti-German. In the 1920s we had just fought a major war against, yep, Germany. Here is Google AI's take:
- Chinese Exclusion Act (1882): The first major law to restrict immigration based on nationality and class, specifically banning Chinese laborers. [1, 2]
- Immigration Act of 1917: Imposed a reading test and established the "Asiatic Barred Zone," blocking immigrants from most of Asia. [1]
- National Origins Quota Acts (1921 & 1924): Established a quota system based on the 1890 census, heavily favoring Western and Northern Europeans while virtually excluding immigrants from Asia and Africa
Interesting, we restricted Europeans to a quota by country, but pretty much banned everyone else, and you say there is no racism.
Now I will give our bitcoiner credit for some past comments; a non-racist reason to remove birthrite is that unskilled labor coming into the country can drive down unskilled citizen labor wages. Something that should be considered and doesn't resort to "look at their skin color". You are all welcome.
@oneeyedundertaker Why does it have to produce a benefit? If it is neutral, should we eliminate it? Why? When you discuss this, YOU mention race. You want groups kept out based on race and/or culture. Look in that mirror.
@oneeyedundertaker Why does it have to produce a benefit? If it is neutral, should we eliminate it? Why? When you discuss this, YOU mention race. You want groups kept out based on race and/or culture. Look in that mirror.
So you admit there is no benefit to Americans? I can provide many negatives, so if you can’t provide benefits it’s not neutral.
Where have I stated I want anyone kept out based on race - put up or shut up Marv…
@snarlcakes They did cut it, after cutting Chinese 40 years earlier, even though far fewer Chinese were coming over.
Treating Europeans as OK is new. For a long time, Irish, Germans, and Italians were coming over and hated. The Know Nothing party was largely anti-German. In the 1920s we had just fought a major war against, yep, Germany. Here is Google AI's take:
- Chinese Exclusion Act (1882): The first major law to restrict immigration based on nationality and class, specifically banning Chinese laborers. [1, 2]
- Immigration Act of 1917: Imposed a reading test and established the "Asiatic Barred Zone," blocking immigrants from most of Asia. [1]
- National Origins Quota Acts (1921 & 1924): Established a quota system based on the 1890 census, heavily favoring Western and Northern Europeans while virtually excluding immigrants from Asia and Africa
Interesting, we restricted Europeans to a quota by country, but pretty much banned everyone else, and you say there is no racism.
Now I will give our bitcoiner credit for some past comments; a non-racist reason to remove birthrite is that unskilled labor coming into the country can drive down unskilled citizen labor wages. Something that should be considered and doesn't resort to "look at their skin color". You are all welcome.
Who has posted anything about looking at skin color Marv? Put up or shut up…
Where someone is from, or their culture, or their stated objective, or their willingness to assimilate is not a skin color…
Where someone is from, or their culture, or their stated objective, or their willingness to assimilate is not a skin color…
Hmm, which African cultures will you accept people from?
@snarlcakes They did cut it, after cutting Chinese 40 years earlier, even though far fewer Chinese were coming over.
Treating Europeans as OK is new. For a long time, Irish, Germans, and Italians were coming over and hated. The Know Nothing party was largely anti-German. In the 1920s we had just fought a major war against, yep, Germany. Here is Google AI's take:
- Chinese Exclusion Act (1882): The first major law to restrict immigration based on nationality and class, specifically banning Chinese laborers. [1, 2]
- Immigration Act of 1917: Imposed a reading test and established the "Asiatic Barred Zone," blocking immigrants from most of Asia. [1]
- National Origins Quota Acts (1921 & 1924): Established a quota system based on the 1890 census, heavily favoring Western and Northern Europeans while virtually excluding immigrants from Asia and Africa
Interesting, we restricted Europeans to a quota by country, but pretty much banned everyone else, and you say there is no racism.
Now I will give our bitcoiner credit for some past comments; a non-racist reason to remove birthrite is that unskilled labor coming into the country can drive down unskilled citizen labor wages. Something that should be considered and doesn't resort to "look at their skin color". You are all welcome.
Key Provisions of the 1924 Act
• National origins quotas: It set annual immigration quotas at 2% of the number of people from each nationality already living in the U.S. as of the 1890 census. This heavily favored immigrants from Northern and Western Europe (who had arrived in larger numbers earlier) and drastically cut arrivals from Southern and Eastern Europe. history.house.gov
• Overall cap: It limited total annual immigration (from outside the Western Hemisphere) to roughly 165,000 initially (later adjusted downward toward ~150,000–154,000 when the full national origins system took effect in 1929). This was an ~80% reduction from pre-WWI averages. en.wikipedia.org
It literally cut 80% of immigration from mostly Europe (the white people) and excluded the brown people in the Western Hemisphere. Once again your claim of racism isn't backed by facts.
The truth is people do not like mass immigration and when it gets too high, they push back on it. By the way the foreign population percentage dropped from about 15% to 5% over the next several decades. And guess what Marv? We're currently at about 16% in 2026 and people are pissed off again.
This isn't hard to figure out. People don't like their culture drastically changing too quickly. If you're for immigration keep the foreign population around 5%, maybe 10% and people generally accept it. Also, those new groups are more likely assimilate. If you go and drop off 10% of Haiti in Ohio, overnight, people are going to get pissed off.
https://twitter.com/geiger_capital/status/2058931420316238179?s=46
Where someone is from, or their culture, or their stated objective, or their willingness to assimilate is not a skin color…
Hmm, which African cultures will you accept people from?
Whichever people apply for immigration & are approved. If they are educated & are likely to be able to support themselves based on skills or experience great, but accepting people from third world shitholes & folks wanting to replace our way of life doesn’t work for me. The fact that there are no third world countries & few Islamic countries made up of white people doesn’t make me a racist. I DON’T CARE WHAT THEIR SKIN COLOR IS. Just because you see everything in terms of race doesn’t mean everyone does.
@snarlcakes So eliminating Brown immigration while limiting White isn't any sort of reflection on Brown people?
And why were Chinese blocked 40 years before if there was NO racism?
@snarlcakes So eliminating Brown immigration while limiting White isn't any sort of reflection on Brown people?
And why were Chinese blocked 40 years before if there was NO racism?
What's the average IQ of the white people wanting to get in? And what is it for the brown people? Also, are the brown people going assimilate like the white immigrants will?
Answer those questions and you'll have your answer. It isn't about race. It's about who is likely to improve our country and who likely destroys it.
@snarlcakes So eliminating Brown immigration while limiting White isn't any sort of reflection on Brown people?
And why were Chinese blocked 40 years before if there was NO racism?
Marv, laws limiting non-white immigration were already on the books. And almost all the immigration was coming from white people. If it was because of racism why would the white people pass a new law that cut white immigration by 80%?