@oneeyedundertaker huh? If we know who is here and why, birthright is a net gain.
How many foreign nationals give birth here annually & their children retain citizenship while living in their country of origin?
An absolute indefensible abomination of a decision. But completely expected.
https://twitter.com/i/status/2071988065326030931
How do you feel birthright citizenship benefits you & your fellow citizens?
It has very little impact, one way or the other. When did your family arrive in America? In all probability they came in with birthright as that would cover 1776 through now. Until about 1920, Europeans just came in. No controls, they came and lived and could apply for citizenship but their children born here were American. We had limits on those from other continents who could do that starting about 1890. I am curious how that destroyed America?
I didn’t claim it destroyed America, why be dishonest?
If it were Europeans & not foreign enemies of the US with no interest in assimilating we’d be fine, but it’s not. You still haven’t listed how this benefits the US. You claim it has little impact, based on what metric?
They were actually decent people who followed the laws, came here to truly make a better life for themselves, improve the country, and most importantly, they assimilated.
I think that is a very romanticized view of the past. There were plenty of people who came to this country back in that time period who were doing so for reasons way beyond "making a better life for themselves."
Sadly, I'm pretty sure my bloodline is an example. There are "strong suspicions" that my great great grandfather came to this country and changed his name to his wife's maiden name because he was fleeing a murder charge from Scotland.
As I said elsewhere in the thread, I'm against unfettered birthright citizenship. For example, children of illegal immigrants born here should not automatically be citizens. However, this decision is exactly what I expected it to be because it's the law as written so SCOTUS would rule accordingly. I think the law needs to be changed. I was only wrong about the decision in that I initially thought the decision would be unanimous. I later thought it would be unanimous with Alito and Thomas dissenting. It was closer than that. SCOTUSBLOG:
Supreme Court strikes down Trump’s order ending birthright citizenship | SCOTUSblog
As with many of his Executive Orders, it was meant only as read meat for the more emotional less intelligent in his MAGA base who believe he has the power to do whatever he wants and they WANT.
How do you feel birthright citizenship benefits you & your fellow citizens?
It has very little impact, one way or the other. When did your family arrive in America? In all probability they came in with birthright as that would cover 1776 through now. Until about 1920, Europeans just came in. No controls, they came and lived and could apply for citizenship but their children born here were American. We had limits on those from other continents who could do that starting about 1890. I am curious how that destroyed America?
I didn’t claim it destroyed America, why be dishonest?
If it were Europeans & not foreign enemies of the US with no interest in assimilating we’d be fine, but it’s not. You still haven’t listed how this benefits the US. You claim it has little impact, based on what metric?
The first gen and foreign-born engineers, business owners, and CEOs maintaining America's tech edge are largely not of European descent.
Benefit Metric:
- Alphabet (Google): Co-founded by Russian-born Sergey Brin.
- NVIDIA: Co-founded by Taiwan-born Jensen Huang.
- Apple: Founded by the son of a Syrian immigrant (Steve Jobs).
- Amazon: Founded by the son of a Cuban immigrant (Jeff Bezos).
- Pfizer: Led by CEO Albert Bourla (born in Greece)
How do you feel birthright citizenship benefits you & your fellow citizens?
It has very little impact, one way or the other. When did your family arrive in America? In all probability they came in with birthright as that would cover 1776 through now. Until about 1920, Europeans just came in. No controls, they came and lived and could apply for citizenship but their children born here were American. We had limits on those from other continents who could do that starting about 1890. I am curious how that destroyed America?
I think you have to recognize that there are fundamental differences between groups of people. Until someone is willing to accept that fact and not cry about racism, there is no way to have a legitimate discussion.
For example, there are stark differences in birthright citizenship between poor European immigrants from the early 1900s and today's immigrants. Furthermore, we should all be able to acknowledge the differences between immigrants from various parts of the world based on their work ethic, net societal contributions or detractions, and intent.
There are certainly conservatives on here who wouldn't support BC in any respect, but some of us may have more empathy or a different view for a LatAm family that had a kid and wants to work hard and remain in the country vs. a Chinese, Nigerian or Russian fly-in that is intentionally abusing the system and returning to their own country.
How do you feel birthright citizenship benefits you & your fellow citizens?
It has very little impact, one way or the other. When did your family arrive in America? In all probability they came in with birthright as that would cover 1776 through now. Until about 1920, Europeans just came in. No controls, they came and lived and could apply for citizenship but their children born here were American. We had limits on those from other continents who could do that starting about 1890. I am curious how that destroyed America?
I think you have to recognize that there are fundamental differences between groups of people. Until someone is willing to accept that fact and not cry about racism, there is no way to have a legitimate discussion.
For example, there are stark differences in birthright citizenship between poor European immigrants from the early 1900s and today's immigrants. Furthermore, we should all be able to acknowledge the differences between immigrants from various parts of the world based on their work ethic, net societal contributions or detractions, and intent.
There are certainly conservatives on here who wouldn't support BC in any respect, but some of us may have more empathy or a different view for a LatAm family that had a kid and wants to work hard and remain in the country vs. a Chinese, Nigerian or Russian fly-in that is intentionally abusing the system and returning to their own country.
See I'll disagree here. I think we'd be better off viewing immigrants as individuals and not groups. We can all agree there are individuals in any group who would benefit America by being a citizen of the USA. Writing off whole groups is a slippery slope. Does that mean we need to staff those agencies to grease the skids on that processing? Yes. Of course.
How do you feel birthright citizenship benefits you & your fellow citizens?
It has very little impact, one way or the other. When did your family arrive in America? In all probability they came in with birthright as that would cover 1776 through now. Until about 1920, Europeans just came in. No controls, they came and lived and could apply for citizenship but their children born here were American. We had limits on those from other continents who could do that starting about 1890. I am curious how that destroyed America?
I didn’t claim it destroyed America, why be dishonest?
If it were Europeans & not foreign enemies of the US with no interest in assimilating we’d be fine, but it’s not. You still haven’t listed how this benefits the US. You claim it has little impact, based on what metric?
Let us face it, immigration just like my dating days, the girls whom I was interested in dating weren't interested in me.
Americans prefer immigrants from countries such as Canada, the UK, and Australia. Unfortunately, those who want to come here are from Mexico, China, and India.
How do you feel birthright citizenship benefits you & your fellow citizens?
It has very little impact, one way or the other. When did your family arrive in America? In all probability they came in with birthright as that would cover 1776 through now. Until about 1920, Europeans just came in. No controls, they came and lived and could apply for citizenship but their children born here were American. We had limits on those from other continents who could do that starting about 1890. I am curious how that destroyed America?
They were actually decent people who followed the laws, came here to truly make a better life for themselves, improve the country, and most importantly, they assimilated. Immigrants today do none of those things. They are only here for the goody bags and would kill most of us if given the chance.
We also had a little over a 100M people 100 years ago. Today we're approaching 350M. But you don't care. You will gladly cheer on the destruction of this country including your own destruction because Democrat.
Germans especially arriving in the 1800s did NOT assimilate. Entire communities spoke German, towns wrote laws on German, Ohio required any student who wanted taught in German had to be taught in German. An entire corps of the Army of the Potomac spoke, wait for it, German. Can you imagine the army today having a corps speak only Spanish?
I reject the notion that most today would kill us, mostly because they simply are not. The vast majority are trying to make a better life. Many see their skin color and just assume they are automatically savages that would kill for fun.
We will never have a serious debate on this until the racism is lost. As long as racism is the reason I see zero reason to support amending the law. Sadly, there might be valid reasons to do so but we won't know until the racist arguments go away and drown out valid arguments.
Banger!
I thought you hated Trump? Every day really is different...
How do you feel birthright citizenship benefits you & your fellow citizens?
It has very little impact, one way or the other. When did your family arrive in America? In all probability they came in with birthright as that would cover 1776 through now. Until about 1920, Europeans just came in. No controls, they came and lived and could apply for citizenship but their children born here were American. We had limits on those from other continents who could do that starting about 1890. I am curious how that destroyed America?
I didn’t claim it destroyed America, why be dishonest?
If it were Europeans & not foreign enemies of the US with no interest in assimilating we’d be fine, but it’s not. You still haven’t listed how this benefits the US. You claim it has little impact, based on what metric?
The first gen and foreign-born engineers, business owners, and CEOs maintaining America's tech edge are largely not of European descent.
Benefit Metric:
- Alphabet (Google): Co-founded by Russian-born Sergey Brin.
- NVIDIA: Co-founded by Taiwan-born Jensen Huang.
- Apple: Founded by the son of a Syrian immigrant (Steve Jobs).
- Amazon: Founded by the son of a Cuban immigrant (Jeff Bezos).
- Pfizer: Led by CEO Albert Bourla (born in Greece)
Lol, pretty small sample size. Last I checked Greece is in Europe, as is most of Russia. I didn’t say only Europeans & referred to them because Marv specifically alluded to them. Of course exceptions can be found…🙄.
I think you have to recognize that there are fundamental differences between groups of people. Until someone is willing to accept that fact and not cry about racism, there is no way to have a legitimate discussion.
For example, there are stark differences in birthright citizenship between poor European immigrants from the early 1900s and today's immigrants. Furthermore, we should all be able to acknowledge the differences between immigrants from various parts of the world based on their work ethic, net societal contributions or detractions, and intent.
There are certainly conservatives on here who wouldn't support BC in any respect, but some of us may have more empathy or a different view for a LatAm family that had a kid and wants to work hard and remain in the country vs. a Chinese, Nigerian or Russian fly-in that is intentionally abusing the system and returning to their own country.
How many centuries have Westerners said "there are fundamental differences between groups of people" about Jews? Serious question there, how long did western civilization say that there was a fundamental difference between Jews and French/German/Russian/etc)? There are still people today that do that, at least one posts here, and they are WRONG.
But here you are suggesting, "well, this time judging solely by group membership is valid." No, there might be times in VOLUNTARY choices it is valid. One might make inferences if one chooses to be a Nazi or a Communist that they accept certain tenets in that choice. In skin color? In where one is born? Seriously?
The crime data I have seen has immigrants, legal and illegal, committing violent crime at a lower level than natives.
Further, whenever we discussed quotas conservatives were always big on not judging groups buy individuals. Hell, CO probably said that 5000 times on here. But suddenly it is all "groups, groups, groups, individuals don't matter."
If it were Europeans & not foreign enemies of the US with no interest in assimilating we’d be fine, but it’s not. You still haven’t listed how this benefits the US. You claim it has little impact, based on what metric?
Foreign enemies? Proof that we have 20 million foreign enemies living in the US. If you had real proof your side wouldn't have made up the "eating pets" crap.