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Goat
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Nvidia is never going to sell the Chinese newest generation chips. Not under any president Democrat or Republican.

 

I actually don’t see much utility in Juang being there, other than to cement that fact in person.

 

@goat is wrong that our AI advantage stems simply from the scale and complexity of chip production as well. We have better models, full stop. As well as the chip supply chain to back it. 

We do have better models. But that can be overcome in a matter of months. What can't be overcome is the lack of physical infrastructure to back it up.

 

 

The human capital it takes to build the best models in world. Pulling from every conceivable corner of the globe, is something they will never have. 

 

Nonsense. It only takes one Chinese Elon Musk who wasn’t born in the US. 

 

 

Nonsense. The CCP would have stifled Elon when he was building PayPal or Solar City. Much less Tesla. 

Taken control, overlooked innovation, stifled anything truly revolutionary and demoralized all the innovators and investors.

I’m not impressed that they can offer more prevalent retail robotics. Or faster public transport. Or cleaner streets. 

It’s not their innovation.

 

It's not about innovation anymore. The roadmap is there. If there is one thing the Chinese are good at, it's stealing roadmaps.

They just don't have the capacity to build the hardware necessary.

 


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Posted : 05/14/2026 11:19 pm
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Posted by: @carramrod

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Posted by: @carramrod

Posted by: @goat

Posted by: @carramrod

Nvidia is never going to sell the Chinese newest generation chips. Not under any president Democrat or Republican.

 

I actually don’t see much utility in Juang being there, other than to cement that fact in person.

 

@goat is wrong that our AI advantage stems simply from the scale and complexity of chip production as well. We have better models, full stop. As well as the chip supply chain to back it. 

We do have better models. But that can be overcome in a matter of months. What can't be overcome is the lack of physical infrastructure to back it up.

 

 

The human capital it takes to build the best models in world. Pulling from every conceivable corner of the globe, is something they will never have. 

 

Nonsense. It only takes one Chinese Elon Musk who wasn’t born in the US. 

 

 

Nonsense. The CCP would have stifled Elon when he was building PayPal or Solar City. Much less Tesla. 

Taken control, overlooked innovation, stifled anything truly revolutionary and demoralized all the innovators and investors.

I’m not impressed that they can offer more prevalent retail robotics. Or faster public transport. Or cleaner streets. 

It’s not their innovation.

 

I’ll definitely buy the possibility of intellectual suppression in China but I think they actually seek to locate and control their best minds and with their advanced espionage technology they don’t have to reinvent the wheel just steal, reverse engineer or whatever it takes. 

They’re not imbeciles and it would be all to easy to take them for granted. Technological integration in virtually any sense would be catastrophic. 

 


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Posted : 05/14/2026 11:58 pm
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@goat 

Maybe building the hardware’s not that difficult second through. Musk innovated cheap satellites and cheap space travel. Ultrasound equipment cost American hospitals a fortune, then the Japanese or whoever built them for pennies on the dollar. 


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Posted : 05/15/2026 12:03 am
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@carramrod 

How about if Americans build for the Chinese?

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/KyHw30XL_zw?ra=m


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Posted : 05/15/2026 12:13 am
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Longer version. Lo and behold, Nvidia is complicit…money talks. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vGYd6emyk-0&ra=m


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Posted : 05/15/2026 12:21 am
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@oneeyedundertaker haven’t been in a while. In the mood to go

It’s a wretched hive of scum & villainy. There are smoke shows everywhere though.  & great food,& Pliny the Elder on tap, & 2oz pours of EH Taylor barrel proof for $25.

 


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Posted : 05/15/2026 1:08 am
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Posted by: @goat

Posted by: @carramrod

Nvidia is never going to sell the Chinese newest generation chips. Not under any president Democrat or Republican.

 

I actually don’t see much utility in Juang being there, other than to cement that fact in person.

 

@goat is wrong that our AI advantage stems simply from the scale and complexity of chip production as well. We have better models, full stop. As well as the chip supply chain to back it. 

We do have better models. But that can be overcome in a matter of months. What can't be overcome is the lack of physical infrastructure to back it up.

 

 

You may or may not be accurate on this AI discussion. Way too early in the game I believe for anyone to really know how this looks a decade out. But putting AI aside, there are a lot of other major challenges that have done nothing but get progressively worse over the last decade, from the US perspective.

 

https://rhg.com/research/chinas-next-generation-industrial-policy/

 


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Posted : 05/15/2026 7:52 am
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Xi took a not-so-subtle shot (and/or threat) against the US yesterday when he referenced the "Thucydides Trap," a reference to the risk of war (harkening back to ancient Greece - - Athens and Sparta) when an emerging power challenges an established power. And Trump, in his own inimitable style, emphasized that the Thucydides Trap really refers to an emerging power challenging a declining power, and praised Xi for the remark:

"When President Xi very elegantly [lol] referred to the United States as perhaps being a declining nation, he was referring to the tremendous damage we suffered during the four years of Sleepy Joe Biden . . . "

Amazing that the President of the United States is willing to lend credence to the notion that we're in decline.  Also interesting, but not surprising, that almost a year and a half into his presidency, Trump is still blaming Biden. Trump, in fact, has his very own 16-months-long laundry list of fuck-ups. 

Asshole. 

 


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Posted : 05/15/2026 9:57 am
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https://twitter.com/i/status/2055292006297932071


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Posted : 05/15/2026 11:25 am
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@twenty China has massive industrial advantages.  Regs.  Labor.  Land.  Supply chain.  Can scale like nowhere else.


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Posted : 05/15/2026 11:34 am
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@big-ryan it’s ideology. Let AOC win. Let the Dems win. Our country will unquestionably go into decline.  It’s beyond debate.  What makes us great. They destroy.  To create. To build.  You’ll get Corp inversions. A poisoned generation of youth who will facilitate the victimhood decline that defines the left. Cradle to grave welfare. Wealth theft under the guise of redistribution.  Not work. Entitlement.   The threat this country faces isn’t external. It’s this iteration of the Dem party.  Period.  

@bulk-vh close the thread. Thank you 


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Posted : 05/15/2026 11:43 am
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https://twitter.com/i/status/2055292006297932071

Looks like I'm 2/2 so far.

 


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Posted : 05/15/2026 11:52 am
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Posted by: @gingerkitten

 

Sorry but Trump is only there to distract from the Epstein files

i'm so tired of the epstein files.  we've had years to reveal what's in them.  countless court cases.  a biden presidency.  every motherfckr on instagram that posts what about the epstein files under posts that i'm reading about alien disclosure, interdimensional beings, the grays, the tall ones, the book of enoch, bending time, fallen angels, portals at cern, five alien bases under the ocean just off of our coast, greats like bob lazar, george knapp, i want to absolutely strangle. you post "what about the epstein files" in any other post other than one about the epstein files you should have your instagram account immediately restricted to only following blake lively

You're tired of the Epstein files because it looks bad on your pedo president.

Maybe if Trump released everything (other than blacking out parts of images as needed) and if culprits who committed crimes (regardless of their current position in the white house) actually saw repercussions, then it would go away.

 


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Posted : 05/15/2026 12:17 pm
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@hurryinghoosiers why did Biden sit on it?


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