I wish they didn't approve it, we are setting dangerous precedents. But to be slightly fair to Virginia RE your comments, recall Texas began this stupidity.
when was the first gerrymander?
Just because Gerry was wrong doesn't mean we should continue to be wrong. Purposely being wrong out of tradition makes little sense.
Arthur, you have never been more right. It is like the Water Cooler Book Club--just because @bradstevens never makes his short story selection during short story month, doesn't mean we exclude from making standard selections. If you know, you know. 
Shoving carrramrod into a locker since 2024.
Thank the dumb shit stain in the WH who started this ball rolling.
No, adults are responsible for their own actions .
So when are you going to take trump to task for his actions?
Or you admitting that he has the brain power of a child?
Admit what? I want all of the GOP to be like Trump, but more ruthless. I want to kick your socialist a#%es. Only one of us is going to win and I want it to be my side.
better a socialist a******* than a fascist prick.
@snarlcakes look at these numbers. They are the worst of any President we've seen since very late in GWB's 2nd term. And Trump is only just over a year into term 2.
Any party would be operating with an anvil around their neck with these kind of numbers.
https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin
If they lose the Senate it will be because of the Iran war, which most MAGA voters are against. It would be a rebuke of a neocon policy.
Polls are crap this far out. I'll start paying attention in September. Americans have the attention span of a nat and a lot can change between now and then.
what is a nat?
Seems like even MAGA morons could spell gnat correctly.
@snarlcakes or people with half a brain cell that care a bit about character.
The Democratic Party advocates for the killing of children. They don't care about character. Try again.
we aren't the party that puts the 2nd amendment over people's lives. try again.
I wish they didn't approve it, we are setting dangerous precedents. But to be slightly fair to Virginia RE your comments, recall Texas began this stupidity.
Yeah, it's wrong, but OP pretending this isn't a case of FAFO is just precious.
It's not wrong. Gerrymandering is allowed under the current system. Kudos to Virginia Democrats.
I fucking hate it.
Gerrymandering is one thing. Gerrymandering like we have seen from both sides over the last several years is nothing more than political bullshit. Virginia's attempt to keep up with the joneses is an abomination. It wasn't a great day for the Republic yesterday in my humble opinion.
The fairest way to fix it is a complete reset (the very original districts) for every state and then make it completely illegal to change it. And that goes for gerrymeandering at the state level too.
Who started the redistricting bs?
You might get yourself checked for dementia.
The answer btw is your orange lord and savior.
Democrats started it. Look at all the states in the NE. All gerrymandered to the max. Best scenario for Republicans is all 50 states draw free and fair maps. Dems can't have that though. Texas was simply trying to undo some of the wrongs Dems had already made. But Republicans are cowards and refuse to play the games Dems do.
@hhlurker Your LOL is misplaced. The elections were a referendum on the policies of the left. That's why @twenty's logic doesn't make sense. One can recognize that Trump has been a total disaster. And clearly he has been a total disaster. That doesn't make them believe the policies of the left are all of the sudden sensible. The left remain a total nonstarter for tens of millions of Americans.
The best thing that could happen for both parties is: 1) Pubs lose midterms so that JD and Ted and others can begin the process of distancing themselves from Tump without consequences and 2) Dems find new blood. People do not want the policies of the left. Get a new voice. Move back to sensible policies and the next two elections could be landslides for the Dem party
I wish they didn't approve it, we are setting dangerous precedents. But to be slightly fair to Virginia RE your comments, recall Texas began this stupidity.
Yeah, it's wrong, but OP pretending this isn't a case of FAFO is just precious.
It's not wrong. Gerrymandering is allowed under the current system. Kudos to Virginia Democrats.
I fucking hate it.
Gerrymandering is one thing. Gerrymandering like we have seen from both sides over the last several years is nothing more than political bullshit. Virginia's attempt to keep up with the joneses is an abomination. It wasn't a great day for the Republic yesterday in my humble opinion.
I changed my opinion a while ago. All states should gerrymander and be done with it. The hodgepodge of some states doing and some not is the worst outcome and most unfair to voters.
@snarlcakes or people with half a brain cell that care a bit about character.
The Democratic Party advocates for the killing of children. They don't care about character. Try again.
we aren't the party that puts the 2nd amendment over people's lives. try again.
I just want to know where my killing children memo is. Must be lost in the mail with all my Soros checks.
The scary thing is that (at least based on my reading of his posts in all of the LBB's religious threads), that between the three of us, he'd be the most apt to be able to justify murdering a child in his own mind.
Premise 1: He would agree that whatever his god commands is moral and/or justified, though his god may be unable to defy his nature.
Premise 2: His god's nature doesn't disqualify the killing of children, either by divine methods (e.g., the Flood, the killing of the first born, or the death of David's son with Bathsheba) or through his people (e.g., the slaughter of the Amalekites & Canaanites).
Premise 3: He believes his god can communicate with his people, including him, through divine revelation.
Premise 4: He would agree that it is always moral to follow a command from his god.
Conclusion: If he believed that his god commanded him to murder a toddler, he would also believe that murdering the toddler would be the morally correct thing to do.
Note, it doesn't even mean that his god WOULD order it. It only means he believes it was ordered. And since it's not contradictory to his nature, it's not something that could be written off as a hypothetical of something he wouldn't/hasn't ever done. It also doesn't mean that he'd actually follow through with it, just that he would consider it the moral thing to do.
@hhlurker Your LOL is misplaced. The elections were a referendum on the policies of the left. That's why @twenty's logic doesn't make sense. One can recognize that Trump has been a total disaster. And clearly he has been a total disaster. That doesn't make them believe the policies of the left are all of the sudden sensible. The left remain a total nonstarter for tens of millions of Americans.
The best thing that could happen for both parties is: 1) Pubs lose midterms so that JD and Ted and others can begin the process of distancing themselves from Tump without consequences and 2) Dems find new blood. People do not want the policies of the left. Get a new voice. Move back to sensible policies and the next two elections could be landslides for the Dem party
Trump's policies haven't been a disaster. Also, Dems want to move further to the left and they'll continue to import millions of legal and illegal immigrants to ensure they can.
The fairest way to fix it is a complete reset (the very original districts) for every state and then make it completely illegal to change it. And that goes for gerrymeandering at the state level too.
You can't make it illegal to change the maps because maps change over time. Populations grow (mostly) but occasionally shrink in some areas. Representation changes accordingly. That's why it was normally tied into Census data which is performed every 10 years. One of the reasons this spat started was because Texas was trying to redistrict early, based upon the need to "win" for a party, not because of shifting population gradients.
You may have an opinion that the census data is flawed, that's fine. I understand the argument and can agree on a few of the points. But the need for redistricting is still valid and can't be made illegal.
Trump's policies haven't been a disaster.
Quite honestly, we're really not going to know for about a decade whether that's true or not. Hindsight in 2035 is going to be interesting one way or the other.
The fairest way to fix it is a complete reset (the very original districts) for every state and then make it completely illegal to change it. And that goes for gerrymeandering at the state level too.
You can't make it illegal to change the maps because maps change over time. Populations grow (mostly) but occasionally shrink in some areas. Representation changes accordingly. That's why it was normally tied into Census data which is performed every 10 years. One of the reasons this spat started was because Texas was trying to redistrict early, based upon the need to "win" for a party, not because of shifting population gradients.
You may have an opinion that the census data is flawed, that's fine. I understand the argument and can agree on a few of the points. But the need for redistricting is still valid and can't be made illegal.
Even when they were doing it every 10 years, it was often done to benefit the party in charge. I would rather districts have uneven populations than parties getting redraw the lines to benefit themselves. Voters should get to choose their representative, not the other way around.
The states have uneven populations (can't change that) and so we are already used to having uneven representation on a per capita basis.
Trump's policies haven't been a disaster.
Quite honestly, we're really not going to know for about a decade whether that's true or not. Hindsight in 2035 is going to be interesting one way or the other.
most won't follow cause and effect. And if someone does then it will be considered fake news if it doesn't align with the person's politics. Many will just blame the current administration when the effect comes into play or the preceding one (whichever helps their confirmation bias) It's the whole memory of a gnat issue at play combined with "my side is always right and your side is always wrong" mentality.