@larsiu 66 percent of Dems support socialism. That center is long gone.
Agreed. Booger isn’t alone in his dismissal of the agenda of left & Muslims employment of them as useful idiots. I have made repeated efforts to get anyone on the board to explain how I am misunderstanding what’s happening & all you get is unserious people like Mark & Boogie with BUT TRUMP responses or folks like Butch ignoring data, history, & what the left & Muslims have explicitly stated as their objectives. It’s baffling that they choose to ignore it, & it the source of my disdain for them when I see what they’re making this country for my son…
the Muslim stuff admittedly I don’t know too much about.
the other lefty policies I do. What drives me crazy is when the left won’t just own it. You had a chance for a moderate in la. Nope. You elected a socialist progressive where they all live. Last time you had the White House you had a progressive agenda. You appointed the next candidate who was the second most lefty senator this century who took Walz. The voice of your party is AOC. And gallop etc show 66 percent of you like socialism.
just own it. Stop pretending the left is something else or that it’s the extreme. No it’s not. It’s the base. And guess what. If that’s what the people want so be it. You hate it. I hate it. But if a majority wants things you and I hate oh well. That’s life. We move abroad somewhere. Corp inversions. Or stay and deal. Whatever. You still have choices. But be honest.
People on the left are unwilling to confront the reality that voting for Democrats is a vote to replace the United States with a socialist, & very likely eventual Islamic dominated society.
"People on the left right are unwilling to confront the reality that voting for Democrats Republicans is a vote to replace the United States with a socialist fascist, & very likely eventual Islamic Christian Nationalist dominated society."
See how that works?
@unclemark What are people on the right trying to change about America?
First thing that jumps out to me is trying to jam religion, Christianity, on people. America isn't a Christian only country, but the right insists we are.
The right insists that the country was founded on Christian values, & it was. It’s not the right or Christian’s pushing the anti-semitism we see today. If you’re talking about the pushback against Islam, I’d be interested to hear what your assessment of their agenda & values are & if that’s ok for society? Or if it’s not you feel we as a country to let it run its course?
Good to know you don't believe in the separation of church and state.
10 commandments in schools anyone?
@larsiu 66 percent of Dems support socialism. That center is long gone.
Agreed. Booger isn’t alone in his dismissal of the agenda of left & Muslims employment of them as useful idiots. I have made repeated efforts to get anyone on the board to explain how I am misunderstanding what’s happening & all you get is unserious people like Mark & Boogie with BUT TRUMP responses or folks like Butch ignoring data, history, & what the left & Muslims have explicitly stated as their objectives. It’s baffling that they choose to ignore it, & it the source of my disdain for them when I see what they’re making this country for my son…
Where in my answer to your question did I insert Trump?
You asked a question and I answered. You don't like my answer (which is 100% correct).
People on the left are unwilling to confront the reality that voting for Democrats is a vote to replace the United States with a socialist, & very likely eventual Islamic dominated society.
"People on the left right are unwilling to confront the reality that voting for Democrats Republicans is a vote to replace the United States with a socialist fascist, & very likely eventual Islamic Christian Nationalist dominated society."
See how that works?
@unclemark What are people on the right trying to change about America?
First thing that jumps out to me is trying to jam religion, Christianity, on people. America isn't a Christian only country, but the right insists we are.
The right insists that the country was founded on Christian values, & it was. It’s not the right or Christian’s pushing the anti-semitism we see today. If you’re talking about the pushback against Islam, I’d be interested to hear what your assessment of their agenda & values are & if that’s ok for society? Or if it’s not you feel we as a country to let it run its course?
Good to know you don't believe in the separation of church and state.
10 commandments in schools anyone?
I am an atheist, so maybe not the “gotcha” you’re hoping for. However, I have no problem with the 10 commandments being in schools. I’m also fine if they’re not.
People on the left are unwilling to confront the reality that voting for Democrats is a vote to replace the United States with a socialist, & very likely eventual Islamic dominated society.
"People on the left right are unwilling to confront the reality that voting for Democrats Republicans is a vote to replace the United States with a socialist fascist, & very likely eventual Islamic Christian Nationalist dominated society."
See how that works?
@unclemark What are people on the right trying to change about America?
First thing that jumps out to me is trying to jam religion, Christianity, on people. America isn't a Christian only country, but the right insists we are.
The right insists that the country was founded on Christian values, & it was. It’s not the right or Christian’s pushing the anti-semitism we see today. If you’re talking about the pushback against Islam, I’d be interested to hear what your assessment of their agenda & values are & if that’s ok for society? Or if it’s not you feel we as a country to let it run its course?
Good to know you don't believe in the separation of church and state.
10 commandments in schools anyone?
I am an atheist, so maybe not the “gotcha” you’re hoping for. However, I have no problem with the 10 commandments being in schools. I’m also fine if they’re not.
Thanks for verifying my answer was correct.
Have a good rest of your day.
@larsiu 66 percent of Dems support socialism. That center is long gone.
Agreed. Booger isn’t alone in his dismissal of the agenda of left & Muslims employment of them as useful idiots. I have made repeated efforts to get anyone on the board to explain how I am misunderstanding what’s happening & all you get is unserious people like Mark & Boogie with BUT TRUMP responses or folks like Butch ignoring data, history, & what the left & Muslims have explicitly stated as their objectives. It’s baffling that they choose to ignore it, & it the source of my disdain for them when I see what they’re making this country for my son…
Where in my answer to your question did I insert Trump?
You asked a question and I answered. You don't like my answer (which is 100% correct).
You didn’t answer my question. The question was what is the right trying to change, which you did not respond to. If I’m missing the point of “jamming” Christianity in general, perhaps you can provide some examples. Obviously, abortion is a passionate subject for Christians, so other than right to life are there others I’m missing? The word “change” is fundamental to the discussion, as my point is about the left replacing America with something else while the right wants to preserve what we have had for 2.5 centuries.
@larsiu 66 percent of Dems support socialism. That center is long gone.
Agreed. Booger isn’t alone in his dismissal of the agenda of left & Muslims employment of them as useful idiots. I have made repeated efforts to get anyone on the board to explain how I am misunderstanding what’s happening & all you get is unserious people like Mark & Boogie with BUT TRUMP responses or folks like Butch ignoring data, history, & what the left & Muslims have explicitly stated as their objectives. It’s baffling that they choose to ignore it, & it the source of my disdain for them when I see what they’re making this country for my son…
Where in my answer to your question did I insert Trump?
You asked a question and I answered. You don't like my answer (which is 100% correct).
You didn’t answer my question. The question was what is the right trying to change, which you did not respond to. If I’m missing the point of “jamming” Christianity in general, perhaps you can provide some examples. Obviously, abortion is a passionate subject for Christians, so other than right to life are there others I’m missing? The word “change” is fundamental to the discussion, as my point is about the left replacing America with something else while the right wants to preserve what we have had for 2.5 centuries.
Either you reading comprehension is off or your memory is declining.
Separation of state and church. 10 commandments in schools. That's against what our nation has done since the establishment clause.
Just because you don't believe in God and claim to not have an opinion either way doesn't change that fact.
As I said before, I hope you have a good rest of your day.
Define Socialism. Is Medicare socialism? Social Security? Medicaid? SNAP? VA Benefits?@larsiu 66 percent of Dems support socialism. That center is long gone.
To me, like anything, socialism is a spectrum upon which we all fall. Just like capitalism, etc. As usual just boiling it down to SOCIALISM BAD, CAPITALISM GOOD is why we are where we are. But fuck man, maybe the American electorate is just too fucking stupid to understand any nuance at all.
The right insists that the country was founded on Christian values, & it was.
The country was founded on Western Liberal Democratic philosophies which began under the Greeks, who were decidedly not Christian. Christianity helped evolve the views for sure, but let's not pretend the Founders were attempting to create anything approaching a theocratic single religion society.
@larsiu public ownership wealth distribution blah blah. City grocers etc. difficult to implement at a muny level because of our system but I don’t think being able to define it is as important as a broad recognition than it’s materially different than our system of capitalism and that 2/3 of Dems even with just a broad sense like it.
I think the characterization of fringe, far is long gone when it comes to the left. Ny. Calif. The heart of the Dem party progressivism socialism is the locus and not the fringe.
there is zero chance the 28 Dem presidential candidate will be what we once thought of as moderate. Moderate is the fringe in the Dem party as evidenced time and time again the last decade
public ownership wealth distribution blah blah. City grocers etc. difficult to implement at a muny level because of our system but I don’t think being able to define it is as important as a broad recognition than it’s materially different than our system of capitalism and that 2/3 of Dems even with just a broad sense like it.
To me that's communism not socialism. In my eyes, socialism can coexist with capitalism in a blended economic model that guarantees certain services to our citizenry (and i used that word intentionally).
Do I want state run grocery stores? No.
Do I want single payor health insurance? Yes.
Am I a socialist? You decide.
public ownership wealth distribution blah blah. City grocers etc. difficult to implement at a muny level because of our system but I don’t think being able to define it is as important as a broad recognition than it’s materially different than our system of capitalism and that 2/3 of Dems even with just a broad sense like it.
To me that's communism not socialism. In my eyes, socialism can coexist with capitalism in a blended economic model that guarantees certain services to our citizenry (and i used that word intentionally).
Do I want state run grocery stores? No.
Do I want single payor health insurance? Yes.
Am I a socialist? You decide.
Best post in the thread.
@larsiu in gov programs socialism is the step before communism. I think exact definitions aren’t as important as the underlying ideology change: reliance on government, wealth redistribution vs capitalism where goods/services are owned produced by private entities for profit etc and you are responsible as a rugged individual for your success or failure. That’s fundamentally different than what Dems appear to favor.
No you are not a socialist. This is easy. City owned grocers is socialism. Single payor healthcare is social insurance not socialism. You are still going to private care providers etc.
Dems are on a path, and not the fringe, actual core dems of fundamentally changing this country to something very different than what we always held true
@larsiu there’s nothing muddled about the core dems and socialists. This person picked by mamdani is a socialist. Its view to property ownership (public/collective) is old school socialism
Collective good. Public stewardship. Takings that transfer ownership to the city. That’s the administration of the largest city in America and the locus of the Dem party.
anyone who thinks radical progressives are the fringe at this point aren’t paying attention.