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Juneteenth, everyone!

Have a great day!


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Topic starter Posted : 06/19/2026 11:00 am
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@bulk-vh right back at ya. This is great.


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Posted : 06/19/2026 11:14 am
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Everyone should celebrate this day.  I had to work, but downtown was pretty dead. Lots of offices closed. 

I doubt many white people are using this day to celebrate the end of slavery though, which is disappointing.  


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Posted : 06/19/2026 9:16 pm
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Posted by: @bradstevens

Everyone should celebrate this day.  I had to work, but downtown was pretty dead. Lots of offices closed. 

I doubt many white people are using this day to celebrate the end of slavery though, which is disappointing.  

I feel like white folks are trying to do what they imagine the equivalent is of turning Columbus Day into Indigenous Peoples' Day, or whatever it is we call it now in polite society.

I wish we could just embrace our history honestly and celebrate the good and recognize the bad, from all angles, instead of trying to turn everything into a competition. Especially since so many of those competitions lately seem to turn on race/ethnicity.

 


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Posted : 06/19/2026 10:33 pm
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Posted by: @bradstevens

Everyone should celebrate this day.  I had to work, but downtown was pretty dead. Lots of offices closed. 

I doubt many white people are using this day to celebrate the end of slavery though, which is disappointing.  

Slavery ended December 6, 1865.

 

 


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Posted : 06/19/2026 11:02 pm
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Posted by: @myteamisonthefloor

Posted by: @bradstevens

Everyone should celebrate this day.  I had to work, but downtown was pretty dead. Lots of offices closed. 

I doubt many white people are using this day to celebrate the end of slavery though, which is disappointing.  

Slavery ended December 6, 1865.

 

 

No, it became unconstitutional on that date. That's related to, but not equivalent to, ending.

 


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Posted : 06/19/2026 11:07 pm
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EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION (1863) (full transcript)

1 By the President of the United States of America: A Proclamation. Whereas, on

the twenty-second day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight

hundred and sixty-two, a proclamation was issued by the President of the United

States, containing, among other things, the following, to wit:

2 "That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight

hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated

part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United

States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free;

3 and the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and

naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons,

and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts

they may make for their actual freedom.

4 "That the Executive will, on the first day of January aforesaid, by proclamation,

designate the States and parts of States, if any, in which the people thereof,

respectively, shall then be in rebellion against the United States; and the fact that

any State, or the people thereof, shall on that day be, in good faith, represented in

the Congress of the United States by members chosen thereto at elections

wherein a majority of the qualified voters of such State shall have participated,

shall, in the absence of strong countervailing testimony, be deemed conclusive

evidence that such State, and the people thereof, are not then in rebellion against

the United States."

5 Now, therefore I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of

the power in me vested as Commander-in-Chief, of the Army and Navy of the

United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and

government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for

suppressing said rebellion, do, on this first day of January, in the year of our Lord

one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and in accordance with my purpose

so to do publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days, from the day

first above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States

wherein the people thereof respectively, are this day in rebellion against the

United States, the following, to wit:EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION page 2

6 Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, (except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines,

Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne,

Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans)

Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and

Virginia, (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also

the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess

Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[)], and which

excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not

issued.

7 And by virtue of the power, and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare

that all persons held as slaves within said designated States, and parts of States,

are, and henceforward shall be free; and that the Executive government of the

United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize

and maintain the freedom of said persons.

8 And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all

violence, unless in necessary self-defence; and I recommend to them that, in all

cases when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.

9 And I further declare and make known, that such persons of suitable condition,

will be received into the armed service of the United States to garrison forts,

positions, stations, and other places, and to man vessels of all sorts in said

service.

10 And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the

Constitution, upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of

mankind, and the gracious favor of Almighty God.

11 In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the

United States to be affixed.

12 Done at the City of Washington, this first day of January, in the year of our Lord

one thousand eight hundred and sixty three, and of the Independence of the

United States of America the eighty-seventh.

13 By the President: ABRAHAM LINCOLN

WILLIAM H. SEWARD, Secretary of State.

 

 

 

13th Amendment (full text)

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

 

I rest my case. Slavery ended LEGALLY, EVERYWHERE in the US, when the 13th Amendment was ratified.

The Executive Order known as the Emancipation Proclamation did NOT have that effect.


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Posted by: @goat

Posted by: @bradstevens

Everyone should celebrate this day.  I had to work, but downtown was pretty dead. Lots of offices closed. 

I doubt many white people are using this day to celebrate the end of slavery though, which is disappointing.  

I feel like white folks are trying to do what they imagine the equivalent is of turning Columbus Day into Indigenous Peoples' Day, or whatever it is we call it now in polite society.

I wish we could just embrace our history honestly and celebrate the good and recognize the bad, from all angles, instead of trying to turn everything into a competition. Especially since so many of those competitions lately seem to turn on race/ethnicity.

 

Are you guys shitting me or what?  Who's celebrating Columbus day outside of blue cities?  Who's celebrating juneteenth outside of blue cities?  Real people work for a living.

 


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Posted : 06/20/2026 12:49 am
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Posted by: @myteamisonthefloor

@goat

EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION (1863) (full transcript)

1 By the President of the United States of America: A Proclamation. Whereas, on

the twenty-second day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight

hundred and sixty-two, a proclamation was issued by the President of the United

States, containing, among other things, the following, to wit:

2 "That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight

hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated

part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United

States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free;

3 and the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and

naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons,

and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts

they may make for their actual freedom.

4 "That the Executive will, on the first day of January aforesaid, by proclamation,

designate the States and parts of States, if any, in which the people thereof,

respectively, shall then be in rebellion against the United States; and the fact that

any State, or the people thereof, shall on that day be, in good faith, represented in

the Congress of the United States by members chosen thereto at elections

wherein a majority of the qualified voters of such State shall have participated,

shall, in the absence of strong countervailing testimony, be deemed conclusive

evidence that such State, and the people thereof, are not then in rebellion against

the United States."

5 Now, therefore I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of

the power in me vested as Commander-in-Chief, of the Army and Navy of the

United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and

government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for

suppressing said rebellion, do, on this first day of January, in the year of our Lord

one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and in accordance with my purpose

so to do publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days, from the day

first above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States

wherein the people thereof respectively, are this day in rebellion against the

United States, the following, to wit:EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION page 2

6 Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, (except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines,

Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne,

Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans)

Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and

Virginia, (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also

the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess

Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[)], and which

excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not

issued.

7 And by virtue of the power, and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare

that all persons held as slaves within said designated States, and parts of States,

are, and henceforward shall be free; and that the Executive government of the

United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize

and maintain the freedom of said persons.

8 And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all

violence, unless in necessary self-defence; and I recommend to them that, in all

cases when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.

9 And I further declare and make known, that such persons of suitable condition,

will be received into the armed service of the United States to garrison forts,

positions, stations, and other places, and to man vessels of all sorts in said

service.

10 And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the

Constitution, upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of

mankind, and the gracious favor of Almighty God.

11 In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the

United States to be affixed.

12 Done at the City of Washington, this first day of January, in the year of our Lord

one thousand eight hundred and sixty three, and of the Independence of the

United States of America the eighty-seventh.

13 By the President: ABRAHAM LINCOLN

WILLIAM H. SEWARD, Secretary of State.

 

 

 

13th Amendment (full text)

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

 

I rest my case. Slavery ended LEGALLY, EVERYWHERE in the US, when the 13th Amendment was ratified.

The Executive Order known as the Emancipation Proclamation did NOT have that effect.

That's a lot of words just to say I'm right.

 


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Posted : 06/20/2026 6:13 am
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Posted by: @hooky

Posted by: @goat

Posted by: @bradstevens

Everyone should celebrate this day.  I had to work, but downtown was pretty dead. Lots of offices closed. 

I doubt many white people are using this day to celebrate the end of slavery though, which is disappointing.  

I feel like white folks are trying to do what they imagine the equivalent is of turning Columbus Day into Indigenous Peoples' Day, or whatever it is we call it now in polite society.

I wish we could just embrace our history honestly and celebrate the good and recognize the bad, from all angles, instead of trying to turn everything into a competition. Especially since so many of those competitions lately seem to turn on race/ethnicity.

 

Are you guys shitting me or what?  Who's celebrating Columbus day outside of blue cities?  Who's celebrating juneteenth outside of blue cities?  Real people work for a living.

 

 

Or take the day off to watch the U.S. Open

 


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Posted by: @spartans9312

Posted by: @hooky

Posted by: @goat

Posted by: @bradstevens

Everyone should celebrate this day.  I had to work, but downtown was pretty dead. Lots of offices closed. 

I doubt many white people are using this day to celebrate the end of slavery though, which is disappointing.  

I feel like white folks are trying to do what they imagine the equivalent is of turning Columbus Day into Indigenous Peoples' Day, or whatever it is we call it now in polite society.

I wish we could just embrace our history honestly and celebrate the good and recognize the bad, from all angles, instead of trying to turn everything into a competition. Especially since so many of those competitions lately seem to turn on race/ethnicity.

 

Are you guys shitting me or what?  Who's celebrating Columbus day outside of blue cities?  Who's celebrating juneteenth outside of blue cities?  Real people work for a living.

 

 

Or take the day off to watch the U.S. Open

 

 

Bars were packed for the soccer game yesterday. 

 


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Posted : 06/20/2026 8:16 am
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Posted by: @myteamisonthefloor

Posted by: @bradstevens

Everyone should celebrate this day.  I had to work, but downtown was pretty dead. Lots of offices closed. 

I doubt many white people are using this day to celebrate the end of slavery though, which is disappointing.  

Slavery ended December 6, 1865.

Juneteenth, short for “June Nineteenth,” marks the day when federal troops arrived in Galveston, Texas, in 1865 to take control of the state and ensure that all enslaved people be freed

Slavery ended when the south lost and was forced to end slavery 

 


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Posted : 06/20/2026 9:11 am
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Posted by: @myteamisonthefloor

Posted by: @bradstevens

Everyone should celebrate this day.  I had to work, but downtown was pretty dead. Lots of offices closed. 

I doubt many white people are using this day to celebrate the end of slavery though, which is disappointing.  

Slavery ended December 6, 1865.

 

 

Not really. 

https://face2faceafrica.com/article/juneteenth-didnt-end-slavery-in-texas-heres-what-really-happened-as-some-2500-blacks-met-their-deaths

 


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Posted : 06/20/2026 10:18 am
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Posted by: @hooky

Posted by: @goat

Posted by: @bradstevens

Everyone should celebrate this day.  I had to work, but downtown was pretty dead. Lots of offices closed. 

I doubt many white people are using this day to celebrate the end of slavery though, which is disappointing.  

I feel like white folks are trying to do what they imagine the equivalent is of turning Columbus Day into Indigenous Peoples' Day, or whatever it is we call it now in polite society.

I wish we could just embrace our history honestly and celebrate the good and recognize the bad, from all angles, instead of trying to turn everything into a competition. Especially since so many of those competitions lately seem to turn on race/ethnicity.

 

Are you guys shitting me or what?  Who's celebrating Columbus day outside of blue cities?  Who's celebrating juneteenth outside of blue cities?  Real people work for a living.

 

I'm not shitting you at all.  When I think of the things the United States should celebrate as achievements related to nationhood and/or government, I think of:

1.  Winning the Revolutionary War

2. The Constitution

3.  Ending slavery and hundreds of thousands of white Union soldiers dying in an effort that ultimately freed black people from bondage.

4.  Winning WW 2

5.  Landing on the moon

 

So I think we should celebrate the ending of slavery in this country at least as a top 3 holiday, up there with July 4.  

 


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