By census figures, the racial makeup of the town ( 3,734 people) is 97% white, not 100%. The largest non-white group is Hispanics / Latinos, 1.3%Walpole, New Hampshire, Black population 0%, Native American population 0%, White population 100%.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
the best point I heard so far was around the Caribbean profitability given the predominant slave to non-slave ratio. It makes a lot of sense if you think about it from an economics perspective related to England.
Sounds like the SEC.
Is it the “Story of Us” or the Story of the American Revolution? I haven’t seen it yet so I hesitate to opine much on the content. I will offer a more detailed review when I have.
The Revolution is American History, OUR history, the history of US. I think there was a battle in every colony. Everyone living in the 13 colonies (and beyond) felt the impact of the war. In one way or another, they contributed to the shape and scope of the war.
I guess if Burns wants to create a show to be watched only by those who had kin who bore arms in the war, it would be justified to only largely show White men. But this is about the war in totality, the home front as well as the battlefield.
The general rule on the Civil War is that he underplayed slavery. Far and away his biggest contributor was Foote, Foote was like 70% of the guest narration in words spoken. Foote was a believer in the Lost Cause and attributed the war to us losing the ability to compromise—hardly a condemnation of slavery.
There is nothing wrong with having the good and the bad presented to us. We aren't perfect, never have been, never will be. I'm secure enough to know all that. I haven't seen part 2, but part 1 was excellent.
If one wants to watch a documentary that just eliminates Blacks, Natives, and women from our history, I am sure it is out there somewhere. But I am interested in learning about America as it existed during the war and I somewhat suspect that means those groups are a part of it.
@arthur-dent Speaking of history, here's an interesting short read:
How the Plymouth Pilgrims took over Thanksgiving – and who history left behind
This was absolutely awful. I couldn't finish the first episode. But that's Ken Burns. Most agree with me.
https://twitter.com/SalinaBBaker/status/1991526413296447644?t=Tzet7FkIULJUFOZTaODIdw&s=19
https://twitter.com/EchoesofWarYT/status/1991565589098471644?t=DD3vLddiMWauHUx4foo8qg&s=19
Most agree with you? This is your problem - you're dumb as a post and hang out with people that are just as dumb. LOL!This was absolutely awful. I couldn't finish the first episode. But that's Ken Burns. Most agree with me.
https://twitter.com/SalinaBBaker/status/1991526413296447644?t=Tzet7FkIULJUFOZTaODIdw&s=19
https://twitter.com/EchoesofWarYT/status/1991565589098471644?t=DD3vLddiMWauHUx4foo8qg&s=19
You're all sensitive little bitches too. You're terrified of anything that doesn't fit into your weird little strange paranoid alternate reality world.
This was absolutely awful. I couldn't finish the first episode. But that's Ken Burns. Most agree with me.
https://twitter.com/SalinaBBaker/status/1991526413296447644?t=Tzet7FkIULJUFOZTaODIdw&s=19
https://twitter.com/EchoesofWarYT/status/1991565589098471644?t=DD3vLddiMWauHUx4foo8qg&s=19
Sure they do snowflake
Makes sense why they have representation in the Village People, I guess.Were they brutal or oppressive towards any groups like homosexuals?
i can't speak to iroquois but i love cowboys and injuns and frontier shit. that's my favorite history. as for lgbqtpy shit. it interestingly varied amongst tribes but the indians were largely very open to gays. they referred to them as two spirits. it was the colonial/christian influences that started suppression etc
If you read my posts, I’ve answered both of those questions.Are you watching the documentary?Interesting stuff. I’ll have to read up on that. Never thought of Franklin as having that much of an influence on the Constitution, though. He was 81, suffering from poor health and in pain the entire time from what I’ve read.
I have a question, though, that probably points out the issue some here have with Burns’s documentary: Did the Iroquois allow women to vote? Treat all tribes identically? Were they brutal or oppressive towards any groups like homosexuals? Why aren’t these things covered in the article you linked or in the doc? Is it the case that we only use presentism against white/European societies?
It sure seems like that last question is often yes and is done for current political reasons.
Why would those things be covered in the documentary? We didn't allow women to vote, treat everyone identically and could be oppressive towards certain groups. Those things are in our history.
I'm no expert on the Iroquois Confederacy but I do know they were a matriarchal society so maybe the women had more rights, maybe even voting rights, which American women did not. However, I'm only guessing. I'll have to put the Iroquois Confederacy's history on my reading list.
@hurryinghoosiers You complain about the restricted thinking of those you love to call “they” and then you suggest only white British Colonial Christians were bad in 1750?. Mmmkay. Nice argument. I guess you win. I guess.
Are you sure you watched the show?
@bradstevens I only asked one question. Why would those things be covered in the documentary?
My only complaint so far is that Peter Coyote without interesting photographs is nappage after 30 minutes.
Not offended by discussions of tribal Colonial matters - they had skin in the game too. Women had it tough. Slaves and former slaves had it tough. Indentured servants (my ancestors) had it slightly less tough. rich white landowners had it as good as one could have it without electricity and good tunes.And “we” still whipped the British and formed a government where the rights came from God, not Royal Families. A great idea, still trying to survive the flaws of human politicians.
Did Ken give credit to the white Europeans for bringing diversity and inclusion to the indigenous peoples of North America? President Obama says that diversity is strength! I know diversity and inclusion worked out fabulously for the indigenous people!
The article below is Burns discussing the series, I think it is brilliant. Here is just two paragraphs, but please read it if you have commented on the thread. The second paragraph below
The thing is that art is here to offset. A political dynamic is superficial. It’s binary. And there are no binaries in nature. If you believe in that white hat, black hat kind of thing, then you’ve got to cancel George Washington. But then you have to cancel everybody else, and no one’s left.
The Greeks used the gods as an example to tell about a negotiation within a person between their strengths and weaknesses. Washington knew slavery was wrong. Jefferson knew slavery was wrong. And as the historian Annette Gordon-Reed says about Jefferson, “How could you continue to do something if you knew it was wrong?” And then she says, “Well, that’s the human story for all of us.” She’s not letting Jefferson off the hook. She’s putting the rest on the hook for our own failings.
In the article he discusses wanting the viewer to ask, what would I have done? I will ask, if he never discusses Blacks, Natives, women; how do they answer that question?