Watched the second episode last night and it was also excellent. Only a snowflake with race issues would be disturbed by factually portraying that free and enslaved blacks were involved in the war and fought on both sides. The British were desperate for men and were successful in getting about 20,000 blacks to fight on their side while the Americans were more reluctant but eventually had about 5,000 blacks fight with them. The American military was more integrated in the Revolutionary Was than it was until after WWII.
Very good series so far.
You guys are too sensitive. He's making natives and blacks a part of the story. That's it. He's not changing the narrative into the 1619 project.
He’s making them a part of the story. This is telling.
Watched the second episode last night and it was also excellent. Only a snowflake with race issues would be disturbed by factually portraying that free and enslaved blacks were involved in the war and fought on both sides. The British were desperate for men and were successful in getting about 20,000 blacks to fight on their side while the Americans were more reluctant but eventually had about 5,000 blacks fight with them. The American military was more integrated in the Revolutionary Was than it was until after WWII.
Very good series so far.
Only a race baiting Democrat cuck would need to point this out.
See how easy that is?
You guys are too sensitive. He's making natives and blacks a part of the story. That's it. He's not changing the narrative into the 1619 project.
He’s making them a part of the story. This is telling.
Burns chooses to reside in Walpole, New Hampshire. Black population 0%, Native American population 0%, White population 100%.
One thing is for certain. Burns doesn't want Indians or Blacks to be a part of HIS story.
Are you a snowflake with race issues? Unless you are that post wasn’t about you.Watched the second episode last night and it was also excellent. Only a snowflake with race issues would be disturbed by factually portraying that free and enslaved blacks were involved in the war and fought on both sides. The British were desperate for men and were successful in getting about 20,000 blacks to fight on their side while the Americans were more reluctant but eventually had about 5,000 blacks fight with them. The American military was more integrated in the Revolutionary Was than it was until after WWII.
Very good series so far.
Only a race baiting Democrat cuck would need to point this out.
See how easy that is?
You guys are too sensitive. He's making natives and blacks a part of the story. That's it. He's not changing the narrative into the 1619 project.
He’s making them a part of the story. This is telling.
Burns chooses to reside in Walpole, New Hampshire. Black population 0%, Native American population 0%, White population 100%.
One thing is for certain. Burns doesn't want Indians or Blacks to be a part of HIS story.
He can alleviate his personal white guilt by inserting race baiting into his docs then, makes sense…
You guys are too sensitive. He's making natives and blacks a part of the story. That's it. He's not changing the narrative into the 1619 project.
He’s making them a part of the story. This is telling.
Burns chooses to reside in Walpole, New Hampshire. Black population 0%, Native American population 0%, White population 100%.
One thing is for certain. Burns doesn't want Indians or Blacks to be a part of HIS story.
He can alleviate his personal white guilt by inserting race baiting into his docs then, makes sense…
Five minutes in. Did you know that Ben Franklin got the idea to unify the colonies under Democracy from the six nation Iroquois confederacy?
Screw Greece. Rome? Don't make me the laugh. The Enlightenment? Oh hell nah.
We have the Iroquois to thank for Democracy. And our union to boot.
I haven't watched the doc and am very sensitive to rewriting history based on current, stupid moral and social justice theories like anti-racism, CRT, etc.You guys are too sensitive. He's making natives and blacks a part of the story. That's it. He's not changing the narrative into the 1619 project.
He’s making them a part of the story. This is telling.
Burns chooses to reside in Walpole, New Hampshire. Black population 0%, Native American population 0%, White population 100%.
One thing is for certain. Burns doesn't want Indians or Blacks to be a part of HIS story.
He can alleviate his personal white guilt by inserting race baiting into his docs then, makes sense…
But from your responses, I'll ask these questions:
Do you believe you owe some type of allegiance to people you are descended from over 200 years ago? Do you believe if they did things you wouldn't do now that makes them "bad people" in some universal moral sense? Do you believe the ancestors of people who were "done wrong" in our current moral sense 200 years ago deserve compensation from you because you share DNA or skin color and approximate geographical proximity to the people who existed 200 years ago?
If your answer to these questions is no, I think you'll find that hearing about 18th century American society and its culture will affect you less.
Paul Giamatti voicing John Adams. Nice touch.
Although the show was highly overrated as was Adams as a founding father.
Ben Franklin wasn't ignorant about the Iroquois Confederacy, and he did reference them.You guys are too sensitive. He's making natives and blacks a part of the story. That's it. He's not changing the narrative into the 1619 project.
He’s making them a part of the story. This is telling.
Burns chooses to reside in Walpole, New Hampshire. Black population 0%, Native American population 0%, White population 100%.
One thing is for certain. Burns doesn't want Indians or Blacks to be a part of HIS story.
He can alleviate his personal white guilt by inserting race baiting into his docs then, makes sense…
Five minutes in. Did you know that Ben Franklin got the idea to unify the colonies under Democracy from the six nation Iroquois confederacy?
Screw Greece. Rome? Don't make me the laugh. The Enlightenment? Oh hell nah.
We have the Iroquois to thank for Democracy. And our union to boot.
Franklin and the Iroquois Foundations of the Constitution – The Pennsylvania Gazette
The US Congress in 1988 specifically recognized the Iroquois Confederacy political system as one of the Democratic principles incorporated into the constitution:
"The confederation of the original 13 colonies into one republic was influenced by the political system developed by the Iroquois Confederacy, as were many of the democratic principles which were incorporated into the constitution itself."
It's no surprise that Burns and his team of historians didn't leave that influence out of the documentary.
Interesting stuff. I'll have to read up on that. Never thought of Franklin as having that much of an influence on the Constitution, though. He was 81, suffering from poor health and in pain the entire time from what I've read.Ben Franklin wasn't ignorant about the Iroquois Confederacy, and he did reference them.You guys are too sensitive. He's making natives and blacks a part of the story. That's it. He's not changing the narrative into the 1619 project.
He’s making them a part of the story. This is telling.
Burns chooses to reside in Walpole, New Hampshire. Black population 0%, Native American population 0%, White population 100%.
One thing is for certain. Burns doesn't want Indians or Blacks to be a part of HIS story.
He can alleviate his personal white guilt by inserting race baiting into his docs then, makes sense…
Five minutes in. Did you know that Ben Franklin got the idea to unify the colonies under Democracy from the six nation Iroquois confederacy?
Screw Greece. Rome? Don't make me the laugh. The Enlightenment? Oh hell nah.
We have the Iroquois to thank for Democracy. And our union to boot.
Franklin and the Iroquois Foundations of the Constitution – The Pennsylvania Gazette
The US Congress in 1988 specifically recognized the Iroquois Confederacy political system as one of the Democratic principles incorporated into the constitution:
"The confederation of the original 13 colonies into one republic was influenced by the political system developed by the Iroquois Confederacy, as were many of the democratic principles which were incorporated into the constitution itself."
It's no surprise that Burns and his team of historians didn't leave that influence out of the documentary.
I have a question, though, that probably points out the issue some here have with Burns's documentary: Did the Iroquois allow women to vote? Treat all tribes identically? Were they brutal or oppressive towards any groups like homosexuals? Why aren't these things covered in the article you linked or in the doc? Is it the case that we only use presentism against white/European societies?
It sure seems like that last question is often yes and is done for current political reasons.
Were they brutal or oppressive towards any groups like homosexuals?
i can't speak to iroquois but i love cowboys and injuns and frontier shit. that's my favorite history. as for lgbqtpy shit. it interestingly varied amongst tribes but the indians were largely very open to gays. they referred to them as two spirits. it was the colonial/christian influences that started suppression etc
Are you watching the documentary?Interesting stuff. I’ll have to read up on that. Never thought of Franklin as having that much of an influence on the Constitution, though. He was 81, suffering from poor health and in pain the entire time from what I’ve read.
I have a question, though, that probably points out the issue some here have with Burns’s documentary: Did the Iroquois allow women to vote? Treat all tribes identically? Were they brutal or oppressive towards any groups like homosexuals? Why aren’t these things covered in the article you linked or in the doc? Is it the case that we only use presentism against white/European societies?
It sure seems like that last question is often yes and is done for current political reasons.
Why would those things be covered in the documentary? We didn't allow women to vote, treat everyone identically and could be oppressive towards certain groups. Those things are in our history.
I'm no expert on the Iroquois Confederacy but I do know they were a matriarchal society so maybe the women had more rights, maybe even voting rights, which American women did not. However, I'm only guessing. I'll have to put the Iroquois Confederacy's history on my reading list.
AI Overview
Iroquois women had significant rights and power in their society, including political influence, control over property and resources, and authority in family matters. They held the power to select and depose male chiefs, owned land and homes, and controlled food production and distribution. Women had the power to veto decisions, particularly those involving war.
Iroquois society was matrilineal, meaning lineage was traced through the mother's line, and women had the final say on land sales and the right to custody of their children.
The structure of Iroquois society, with its balance of power and significant roles for women, provided inspiration for early American suffragists, including Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, and Matilda Joslyn Gage.
https://www.womenhistoryblog.com/2008/05/iroquois-women.html
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