@receipt-keeper the message. It sounds good, but it doesn't hold up.
@receipt-keeper the message. It sounds good, but it doesn't hold up.
We're not in agreement on that one. Plenty of examples where smarts and talent alone don't equal success.
Hope is not optimism, which expects things to turn out well, but something rooted in the conviction that there is good worth working for. - Seamus Heaney, Irish poet and likely Hoosier basketball fan.
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@receipt-keeper I agree, but I don't think you can fill in the gap with determination. Luck and social standing also play big roles.
@goat honestly what i've learned (by way of failure) is that i think it's actually about the best measure for success. determination and consistency. if you put in long hours and stay very very consistent at what you do it'll be very hard to fail, irrespective of social standing and contacts. boredom and lack of discipline have been my downfall. ehhh i'm bored with this. i'd rather open a shop. ehhh another 8 years. bored. let's open some business. had i never left my first firm and stayed there and consistently worked i'd be extremely wealthy today with a ton of success. i think that's true for most. sports. business. whatever it's the same formula
@receipt-keeper diligence consistency determination matter most imo
@receipt-keeper I agree, but I don't think you can fill in the gap with determination. Luck and social standing also play big roles.
Yeah but without some sort of drive and determination to succeed, the rest doesn't matter.
And to be clear, I'm not saying you just need to be a go getter to be successful. And I'm not measuring success based on someone's financial standing.
Hope is not optimism, which expects things to turn out well, but something rooted in the conviction that there is good worth working for. - Seamus Heaney, Irish poet and likely Hoosier basketball fan.
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@receipt-keeper I agree drive is important, I was simply disagreeing with the original quote that it's the be all end all. It implies failure must necessarily be a lack of determination to succeed. Which is true sometimes, but patently unfair as a basic assumption.
They defintitely play a role. But I think it's true that in the US, if you're persistent and work hard, you will succeed to some degree.@receipt-keeper I agree, but I don't think you can fill in the gap with determination. Luck and social standing also play big roles.
@bradstevens and goat isn't wrong. i'm obviously charming and incredibly smart and good-looking. but i was born with an enormous dong and am flakey as hell. those two things make being consistent and not distractd exceptionally challenging. a normal pecker and no flakey traits would have benefited me far more than contacts etc. i'd be famous
@goat that consistent head down piling year after year decade after decade on top of each other instead of crying in the bathroom and saying things like joe. question for ya. today. how much would you take for your law degree if you could sell it. would you take 5 grand? let's ask pete what he'd sell his for
@bradstevens and goat isn't wrong. i'm obviously charming and incredibly smart and good-looking. but i was born with an enormous dong and am flakey as hell. those two things make being consistent and not distractd exceptionally challenging. a normal pecker and no flakey traits would have benefited me far more than contacts etc. i'd be famous
We NEED a got dam laughing reaction.
Hope is not optimism, which expects things to turn out well, but something rooted in the conviction that there is good worth working for. - Seamus Heaney, Irish poet and likely Hoosier basketball fan.
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@receipt-keeper laughing, love, angry/dislike and we'd be fine
@bradstevens and goat isn't wrong. i'm obviously charming and incredibly smart and good-looking. but i was born with an enormous dong and am flakey as hell. those two things make being consistent and not distractd exceptionally challenging. a normal pecker and no flakey traits would have benefited me far more than contacts etc. i'd be famous
I think the attitude in the quote doesn't allow for "failure" as an outcome of one's life. Fail at one endeavor, try again or move onto the next. Keep plugging away. Etc.@receipt-keeper I agree drive is important, I was simply disagreeing with the original quote that it's the be all end all. It implies failure must necessarily be a lack of determination to succeed. Which is true sometimes, but patently unfair as a basic assumption.
Unfortunately, I can't say I'm very good at that. I take losses and setbacks very hard.