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Posted by: @bradstevens

  I take losses and setbacks very hard.  

 

that's a credit.  means you haven't piled up enough of them.  i'm like alligator skin at this point


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I think the attitude in the quote doesn’t allow for “failure” as an outcome of one’s life. Fail at one endeavor, try again or move onto the next.  Keep plugging away. Etc.  

 

Unfortunately, I can’t say I’m very good at that.  I take losses and setbacks very hard.  

The line of thinking set out in the Coolidge quote allows one to then point at those who haven't succeeded and tell them it's their fault.

 


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Posted by: @bradstevens

  I take losses and setbacks very hard.  

 

that's a credit.  means you haven't piled up enough of them.  i'm like alligator skin at this point

I wish that were true.  

 


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Posted by: @bradstevens

I think the attitude in the quote doesn’t allow for “failure” as an outcome of one’s life. Fail at one endeavor, try again or move onto the next.  Keep plugging away. Etc.  

 

Unfortunately, I can’t say I’m very good at that.  I take losses and setbacks very hard.  

The line of thinking set out in the Coolidge quote allows one to then point at those who haven't succeeded and tell them it's their fault.

 

That's certainly one way to look at it, but I don't think it has to be the only way.

 


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@unclemark i suspect 90 percent of the time it is.  wandering eyes.  booze.  lazy.  all sorts of stuff


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@receipt-keeper I agree drive is important, I was simply disagreeing with the original quote that it's the be all end all. It implies failure must necessarily be a lack of determination to succeed. Which is true sometimes, but patently unfair as a basic assumption.

I think the one word that doesn't ring true is the last one: omnipotent.  Strange choice there.  Replace it with "most powerful" and I think it would make more sense.  And the power of persistence doesn't mean that those who lack it are bad people.  

 


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Posted by: @bradstevens

I think the one word that doesn’t ring true is the last one: omnipotent.  Strange choice there.  Replace it with “most powerful” and I think it would make more sense.  And the power of persistence doesn’t mean that those who lack it are bad people. 

Maybe not bad, but lazy and stupid fits.


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Posted by: @bradstevens

I think the one word that doesn’t ring true is the last one: omnipotent.  Strange choice there.  Replace it with “most powerful” and I think it would make more sense.  And the power of persistence doesn’t mean that those who lack it are bad people. 

Maybe not bad, but lazy and stupid fits.

Well, I don't consider stupid a moral failing.

 


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Posted by: @bradstevens

Posted by: @unclemark

Posted by: @bradstevens

I think the one word that doesn’t ring true is the last one: omnipotent.  Strange choice there.  Replace it with “most powerful” and I think it would make more sense.  And the power of persistence doesn’t mean that those who lack it are bad people. 

Maybe not bad, but lazy and stupid fits.

Well, I don't consider stupid a moral failing.

 

Phew.

 


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Posted by: @bradstevens

Posted by: @goat

@receipt-keeper I agree drive is important, I was simply disagreeing with the original quote that it's the be all end all. It implies failure must necessarily be a lack of determination to succeed. Which is true sometimes, but patently unfair as a basic assumption.

I think the one word that doesn't ring true is the last one: omnipotent.  Strange choice there.  Replace it with "most powerful" and I think it would make more sense.  And the power of persistence doesn't mean that those who lack it are bad people.  

 

I assume the meaning and use was more appropriate in the time frame of the quote.  See @unclemark question and your answer to the use of act of God 

 


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Posted by: @bradstevens

I think the attitude in the quote doesn’t allow for “failure” as an outcome of one’s life. Fail at one endeavor, try again or move onto the next.  Keep plugging away. Etc.  

 

Unfortunately, I can’t say I’m very good at that.  I take losses and setbacks very hard.  

The line of thinking set out in the Coolidge quote allows one to then point at those who haven't succeeded and tell them it's their fault.

 

This brings me back to an earlier point I made about success. How you define success is critical. Success for me isn't the as success for you and isn't the same as success for the next person.  We're all different and success is a continuum based on all the other things in that quote other than the persistence and effort. 

 


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We’re all different and success is a continuum based on all the other things in that quote other than the persistence and effort. 

Thanks for this hooky. I think we are sometimes limited in our thinking by language -- what do you call whatever lies between success and failure?


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@unclemark content 

 

 


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@unclemark Altho I do think there are some recognized community measures. By 32 I captained a top ten D1 team in the ncaa tourney. Played a professional sport and was drafted by mls.  I owned an Audi, a landrover, a condo and a house. I had a masters degree a law degree and passed multiple bar exams and worked for a very exclusive firm.  I could bench 285 go out til 4 am and work a 12 hour day the next day t day.  I think anyone would say that’s aa successful dude.  

in the twenty years after I can’t think of one thing to boast about. Getting hot chicks I guess. But is that something to be proud of. Not really. . Homerun f you money case never came.  Or I never won it.  Entrepreneurship has been sustaining and nothing more. Have two kids a decade apart with separate moms who are growing up in this weird environ.  

I am content. Ish.  But not successful. So definitely that middle market. I identify more with failure tho.  So like hooky’s quote keep going.  FWIW my 32 year old self would have told me to eat a bullet you dumb fck 


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Posted by: @unclemark

Posted by: @hooky

We’re all different and success is a continuum based on all the other things in that quote other than the persistence and effort. 

Thanks for this hooky. I think we are sometimes limited in our thinking by language -- what do you call whatever lies between success and failure?

Life.  It's to be dealt with the best that you can.  Hopefully that includes helping others achieve whatever their success is to be.  Others are your kids, your spouse, your extended family, the people you work with, etc...

 

And we're limited by language. 

 


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