@spartans9312 Huh? Medicine isn't static. Things change and shift over time. Not sure exactly what you are trying to get at here.
The vaccines saved lives until omicron became the variant…my timeline may be a little late because monoclonal antibody therapy occurred before then and would have been available to those vaccinated and not vaccinated. I’m assuming you are saying vaccination rates in red counties are less than blue counties and therefore they suffered more losses?
Since vaccines came up, Republican counties had more excess deaths than Democratic counties.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617
What was the reason?
Refusal to take vaccine, refusal to properly wear a mask or refusal to social distance.
Take your pick. Actions of the morons in the country
@arthur-dent I’m sure they did. They accepted more risk to ensure other parts of society carried on. We went down to Naples for a few weeks. The difference between Stl and Naples night and day. People weren’t shut down.
@hurryinghoosiers no. listen. i think the one thing we can finally agree on. all of us. is that we HAVE to get fauci.
FAUCI LIED. PEOPLE DIED
No one died because of whatever you think fauci lied about
People died because trump lied and downplayed the pandemic.
People died because morons like you refused to take easy precautions against spreading covid, like social distancing and wearing masks.
You should get checked for brain cells
People died because a deadly virus escaped a lab and spread thru the population killing a lot of people….you are an idiot
How was that fauci's fault?
Moron
The crap response to the pandemic led to deaths. Being wrong about how it started didn't change anything
What response are you referencing?
Since vaccines came up, Republican counties had more excess deaths than Democratic counties.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617
What was the reason?
Refusal to take vaccine, refusal to properly wear a mask or refusal to social distance.
Take your pick. Actions of the morons in the country
You have no idea how this all played out in the beginning
@spartans9312 the other problem with the vaccines was the representations made around them. Will stop the spread. Then you need another. And another. The rollout of same also made little sense.
@spartans9312 Huh? Medicine isn't static. Things change and shift over time. Not sure exactly what you are trying to get at here.
The vaccines saved lives until omicron became the variant…my timeline may be a little late because monoclonal antibody therapy occurred before then and would have been available to those vaccinated and not vaccinated. I’m assuming you are saying vaccination rates in red counties are less than blue counties and therefore they suffered more losses?
I think that's the most likely conclusion, yes. But it only applies to March 2020 to December 2021. Omicron didn't appear until the very end of that period, and wasn't the dominant strain until shortly after the window examined in the article. So again, I'm not sure what your point is.
@spartans9312 the other problem with the vaccines was the representations made around them. Will stop the spread. Then you need another. And another. The rollout of same also made little sense.
The messaging may have been a mess, but the vaccine did what it was supposed to do: it slowed down the disease enough for our health system to recover, which undoubtedly saved countless lives.
@spartans9312 the other problem with the vaccines was the representations made around them. Will stop the spread. Then you need another. And another. The rollout of same also made little sense.
Yep…the government agencies dropped the ball…from initial rollout all the way down to messaging and everything in between
@spartans9312 Huh? Medicine isn't static. Things change and shift over time. Not sure exactly what you are trying to get at here.
The vaccines saved lives until omicron became the variant…my timeline may be a little late because monoclonal antibody therapy occurred before then and would have been available to those vaccinated and not vaccinated. I’m assuming you are saying vaccination rates in red counties are less than blue counties and therefore they suffered more losses?
I think that's the most likely conclusion, yes. But it only applies to March 2020 to December 2021. Omicron didn't appear until the very end of that period, and wasn't the dominant strain until shortly after the window examined in the article. So again, I'm not sure what your point is.
What I’m saying is if vaccination rates are the reason then after your window the deaths should be pretty much the same.
@spartans9312 the other problem with the vaccines was the representations made around them. Will stop the spread. Then you need another. And another. The rollout of same also made little sense.
The messaging may have been a mess, but the vaccine did what it was supposed to do: it slowed down the disease enough for our health system to recover, which undoubtedly saved countless lives.
It didn’t slow the disease spread but it slowed severe cases which decreased deaths and gave healthcare workers a little reprieve
@spartans9312 Huh? Medicine isn't static. Things change and shift over time. Not sure exactly what you are trying to get at here.
The vaccines saved lives until omicron became the variant…my timeline may be a little late because monoclonal antibody therapy occurred before then and would have been available to those vaccinated and not vaccinated. I’m assuming you are saying vaccination rates in red counties are less than blue counties and therefore they suffered more losses?
I think that's the most likely conclusion, yes. But it only applies to March 2020 to December 2021. Omicron didn't appear until the very end of that period, and wasn't the dominant strain until shortly after the window examined in the article. So again, I'm not sure what your point is.
What I’m saying is if vaccination rates are the reason then after your window the deaths should be pretty much the same.
Not necessarily. Vaccines were updated and improved. Lots of factors would go into it. Personally I'd expect vaccination rates to continue to correlate with lower excess deaths virtually in perpetuity, but with less significance over time as the disease becomes less deadly. But who knows?
None of that has any bearing on the original point, which is that it is very likely that the reluctance of Republicans to be vaccinated probably led to higher deaths in Republican communities.
@spartans9312 the other problem with the vaccines was the representations made around them. Will stop the spread. Then you need another. And another. The rollout of same also made little sense.
The messaging may have been a mess, but the vaccine did what it was supposed to do: it slowed down the disease enough for our health system to recover, which undoubtedly saved countless lives.
It didn’t slow the disease spread but it slowed severe cases which decreased deaths and gave healthcare workers a little reprieve
It probably did a little of both, to be fair, but either way, it accomplished what it needed to do, whatever the mechanism.
@spartans9312 Huh? Medicine isn't static. Things change and shift over time. Not sure exactly what you are trying to get at here.
The vaccines saved lives until omicron became the variant…my timeline may be a little late because monoclonal antibody therapy occurred before then and would have been available to those vaccinated and not vaccinated. I’m assuming you are saying vaccination rates in red counties are less than blue counties and therefore they suffered more losses?
I think that's the most likely conclusion, yes. But it only applies to March 2020 to December 2021. Omicron didn't appear until the very end of that period, and wasn't the dominant strain until shortly after the window examined in the article. So again, I'm not sure what your point is.
What I’m saying is if vaccination rates are the reason then after your window the deaths should be pretty much the same.
Not necessarily. Vaccines were updated and improved. Lots of factors would go into it. Personally I'd expect vaccination rates to continue to correlate with lower excess deaths virtually in perpetuity, but with less significance over time as the disease becomes less deadly. But who knows?
None of that has any bearing on the original point, which is that it is very likely that the reluctance of Republicans to be vaccinated probably led to higher deaths in Republican communities.
I very much miss when the anti-vaxxer nuts were moonbats instead of MAGA wingnuts. RFKjr, for example, was a long-time moonbat anti-vaxxer until he was embraced by the anti-vaxxer MAGA winguts. Not talking about @spartans9312 - I don't think he's an anti-vaxxer.
@aloha-hoosier there’s a difference between being an anti vaxxer and forcing people into something that was rushed out pushed and now we’re learning has serious side effects for some. Kids and others did not need it