Okay, I'll post this if no one else will...
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@bradstevens This is the wrong thread, but there has long been a fundamental disconnect between what atheism is and what Christians imagine atheism must mean. That's where the nihilism slur comes from. We could probably throw down a fifty-page thread about it, but fundamentally it comes down to a difference in understanding the nature of reality so complete that one side honestly can't comprehend the other.
Most atheists behave like there is a God. And you don't need to be a Christian or religious to make that observation. So, I fully comprehend your understanding. I just put little stock in people's words and place most of it in their actions.
Sigma MuWhat do you know? Your predilections wrt Greek life and specifically fraternity houses are frankly cartoonish.
You seem to think they are over indexed on predators because you saw some bullshit study sometime.
Here’s what we do know. They have higher gpa’s than their independent cohorts, higher starting salaries. They’re more charitable.
In other words, just better all around people.
Were you in Lambda Lambda Lambda?
He transitioned. True story.
Sigma MuWhat do you know? Your predilections wrt Greek life and specifically fraternity houses are frankly cartoonish.
You seem to think they are over indexed on predators because you saw some bullshit study sometime.
Here’s what we do know. They have higher gpa’s than their independent cohorts, higher starting salaries. They’re more charitable.
In other words, just better all around people.
Were you in Lambda Lambda Lambda?
He transitioned. True story.
Or, Omega Mu.
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Huh.@bradstevens This is the wrong thread, but there has long been a fundamental disconnect between what atheism is and what Christians imagine atheism must mean. That's where the nihilism slur comes from. We could probably throw down a fifty-page thread about it, but fundamentally it comes down to a difference in understanding the nature of reality so complete that one side honestly can't comprehend the other.
Most atheists behave like there is a God. And you don't need to be a Christian or religious to make that observation. So, I fully comprehend your understanding. I just put little stock in people's words and place most of it in their actions.
I think most Christians behave as if their God doesn't exist.
I think he is talking about what the law should be, based on the moral argument he and I are making. I admitted from the jump, in many (most?) places, that is not a defense for the accused.@bradstevens morality is always impacted by booze. They just change the word to inhibitions. I think Mark was inquiring about legal implications
Huh.
I think most Christians behave as if their God doesn't exist.
I think a lot of Christians behave as though going to church or reading the Bible is a get out of jail free card and gives them excuse to be dicks.
@unclemark the loophole will save the boys but you are spot on re not being the point legally. Intoxication on the point of the boys doesn’t absolve them of intent in rape
Intent is part of their mental state, is it not? How can you determine a bad intent (rape) when they're shit faced, any more than you can determine consent on the shit faced girl's part?
It's a complicated question. What you are saying makes sense, but I'd prefer "intoxication is no substitute for poor decisions". That's where I always fall on mental health issues (e.g., insanity defense).
The legal arguments are one thing and I pride myself on not being a lawyer, but from a logical perspective, I cannot absolve the boys of blame, even though I am well aware (from what I can remember) of the impact alcohol has on one's judgment (@larsiu I may or may not have drunkenly had relations with a rather large lady behind some bushes at the Villas). I made a poor choice and have to face that shame for the rest of my life.
I may or may not have drunkenly had relations with a rather large lady behind some bushes at the Villas
Nothing like just grabbing the bottle slamming two huge shots and saying "fuck it, let's go"
Pretty much the last year of my first marriage. Thanks for reminding me.
Okay, a hypothetical...say you are on a flight and this happens.
Some Karen didn't even have the courtesy to let her finish before reporting her.
A good friend will bail you out of jail, but your best friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying "that was f***ing awesome"