No. You should know this. My position on this has never changed.You actually think there are fraudulent votes numbering in the thousands and thousands and that they’re doing this because these Republicans candidates are threats to win? Do you? You can’t convince a jury a crime was committed without evidence, right? Isn’t voter fraud a felony? Who’s risking committing this crime thousands of times for a race they can’t possibly lose?
Most of what happens in California is legal election rigging—as I said elsewhere. Fraud is made easier by the system. Do you really believe the steadfast opposition to more voter security is to stop voter oppression?
You actually think there are fraudulent votes numbering in the thousands and thousands and that they’re doing this because these Republicans candidates are threats to win? Do you? You can’t convince a jury a crime was committed without evidence, right? Isn’t voter fraud a felony? Who’s risking committing this crime thousands of times for a race they can’t possibly lose?you’ll never convince me there is no voter fraud just cuz nobody has discovered it.
like government financial fraud, the only question is how much.
He's literally senile.
Most of what happens in California is legal election rigging—as I said elsewhere. Fraud is made easier by the system. Do you really believe the steadfast opposition to more voter security is to stop voter oppression?
Let's go back to the flat earthers analogy.
You could in fact, take every flat earther and put them on a rocket, take them up into orbit, and let them see for themselves that the Earth is indeed round.
You'd probably still get a select few that wont be convinced due to stubbornness, but it would solve the problem. Viola! No more flat earthers.
Then again, that would cost millions of dollars (if not billions), take years to implement, and would be a logistical nightmare, all to eliminate a problem that doesn't appear to really be all that important.
For all of the times that Republicans like yourself have been saying that Democrats were making mountains out of molehills (AKA "Nothingburgers" as you often like to state), voter fraud is a nothingburger.
While there is not official poll to confirm, there are estimates that say that 1 to 2 percent of the US population has doubts about the Earth being round. That means there are roughly 3.5 to 7 million flat earthers in this country. By comparison, groups that catalog voter fraud cases have found approximately 2000 cases over the course of the last 20 years. Something like 1 case per 300,000 votes cast.
So let that sink in.
The flat earther conspiracy is literally 1500x more common of a problem than voter fraud.
Nothing.
Burger.
We've got much bigger problems in this country that deserve more time, attention, and money than dealing with an issue that only seems to exist in the head of one man with a severely over inflated ego. Heck, let's start with some science and Astronomy classes and work our way up.
you’ll never convince me there is no voter fraud just cuz nobody has discovered it.
like government financial fraud, the only question is how much.
Do you not understand how foolish your first sentence is? You would have been laughed out of your Evidence class if you had made that argument in law school.
Basic argumentation: If someone makes a claim, the burden is on THEM to prove the claim. The burden is NOT on someone else to disprove it.
There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud that is impacting elections in the United States. Period. Full stop.
You sound like Mike Johnson. Yesterday he repeated Trump's (and your) baseless claim that election fraud is rampant in California. When asked what evidence he has, Little Johnson actually said: "Some of these [election fraud] efforts are so diabolical [lol] and so far upstream it is impossible to prove."
So, for Johnson, the fact that there is no evidence IS the evidence!!
Think. Use logic. If the fix was on in LA, for example, Bass would have wanted Pratt to finish in the top 2, as she'd have a much easier time beating him, a Republican, in the general election, in heavily Democratic LA, than Raman. in fact, in polling just before the primary, Bass led Pratt in a head-to-head by close to 20 points, while TRAILING Raman by four.
Wake up, and stop the nonsense.
@squeakyclean @big-ryan you both are missing the point entirely.
i don't believe voter fraud is a real issue. i believe mail in voting is fine. BUT when confidence is as bad as set forth above with BOTH parties it's an issue. a real issue. and we're going to have revolts and problems. whether fraud is occurring isn't hte important part. trust and faith are what's important. and that is severely lacking with tens of millions of people
@squeakyclean @big-ryan you both are missing the point entirely.
i don't believe voter fraud is a real issue. i believe mail in voting is fine. BUT when confidence is as bad as set forth above with BOTH parties it's an issue. a real issue. and we're going to have revolts and problems. whether fraud is occurring isn't hte important part. trust and faith are what's important. and that is severely lacking with tens of millions of people
No. I'm not missing the point at all. What needs to be pounded is the truth. Evidence. Proof. Burdens of proof. There's no evidence of widespread voter fraud that is impacting elections in study after study. The courts have weighed in, too, with the same conclusion. Same deal with government investigations.
The public doesn't have trust in much of anything anymore. Social media is mostly to blame. But if the truth is hammered endlessly, like lies are on social media, perceptions can change.
@big-ryan you can't convince them. so take away those things that make them suspicious .
This is what they did in 2020 and why they don't allow signature checks. They pay low iq people to vote and this often results in them having to fill out the ballot for them. Often they just fill out ballots and the voter isn't even aware someone voted for them.
https://twitter.com/i/status/2064712408506024123
@squeakyclean @big-ryan you both are missing the point entirely.
i don't believe voter fraud is a real issue. i believe mail in voting is fine. BUT when confidence is as bad as set forth above with BOTH parties it's an issue. a real issue. and we're going to have revolts and problems. whether fraud is occurring isn't hte important part. trust and faith are what's important. and that is severely lacking with tens of millions of people
And your solutions are to treat the symptoms, not the cause. Taking the anti-vomiting pills doesn't make the cancer go away.
Ask yourself what the main cause of this growing mistrust is coming from. You've already admitted that it's not actually the system itself.
I think the solution to this "issue" could be made alot cheaper and easier with 10 senators telling one man to shut the bleep up versus spending millions of dollars and 10's of thousands of man hours of time to implement these systems. And you know what, even if we do put them in, it's not going to "solve" the problem. All of this "loss of faith" is based upon a lie, spewing from one man that unfortunately has a massive pulpit to speak from.
We could institute all of these voter ID requirements, Trump will still lose the midterms, and he will still scream about fraud, because he can't admit to the fact that he lost.
EDIT: Based upon your other response, "you can't convince them. so take away those things that make them suspicious", see my last point. It wont help. Trump will make up a new lie as to why he (or those he endorses) lost. Those people will then move on to their new conspiracy theory that Trump is spewing. Millions of dollars wasted. Again. Wasn't the Republican party supposed to be the ones championing reduced government spending?
@squeakyclean now you've lost me. it's just inane hyper partisan bleating. and alot isn't a word. it's a lot. there's distrust with both parties. both sides believe the other will cheat
. and alot isn't a word. it's a lot.
We also always start our sentences with capital letters. There's a lot of crappy grammar on this board.
@squeakyclean @big-ryan you both are missing the point entirely.
i don't believe voter fraud is a real issue. i believe mail in voting is fine. BUT when confidence is as bad as set forth above with BOTH parties it's an issue. a real issue. and we're going to have revolts and problems. whether fraud is occurring isn't hte important part. trust and faith are what's important. and that is severely lacking with tens of millions of people
And your solutions are to treat the symptoms, not the cause. Taking the anti-vomiting pills doesn't make the cancer go away.
Ask yourself what the main cause of this growing mistrust is coming from. You've already admitted that it's not actually the system itself.
I think the solution to this "issue" could be made alot cheaper and easier with 10 senators telling one man to shut the bleep up versus spending millions of dollars and 10's of thousands of man hours of time to implement these systems. And you know what, even if we do put them in, it's not going to "solve" the problem. All of this "loss of faith" is based upon a lie, spewing from one man that unfortunately has a massive pulpit to speak from.
We could institute all of these voter ID requirements, Trump will still lose the midterms, and he will still scream about fraud, because he can't admit to the fact that he lost.
EDIT: Based upon your other response, "you can't convince them. so take away those things that make them suspicious", see my last point. It wont help. Trump will make up a new lie as to why he (or those he endorses) lost. Those people will then move on to their new conspiracy theory that Trump is spewing. Millions of dollars wasted. Again. Wasn't the Republican party supposed to be the ones championing reduced government spending?
I would contend the “cause” is running 3rd world style elections, knowing it’s a fucked system and refusing to do anything about it.
You compound that with opposition to the SAVE Act which has wide public support and people start to question exactly what your motives are.
“Hey look at these crazy Republicans, they think we’re up to something shady because we keep doing shady shit”
- That’s you and every other blinkered leftist.
Most of what happens in California is legal election rigging—as I said elsewhere. Fraud is made easier by the system. Do you really believe the steadfast opposition to more voter security is to stop voter oppression?
Let's go back to the flat earthers analogy.
You could in fact, take every flat earther and put them on a rocket, take them up into orbit, and let them see for themselves that the Earth is indeed round.
You'd probably still get a select few that wont be convinced due to stubbornness, but it would solve the problem. Viola! No more flat earthers.
Then again, that would cost millions of dollars (if not billions), take years to implement, and would be a logistical nightmare, all to eliminate a problem that doesn't appear to really be all that important.
For all of the times that Republicans like yourself have been saying that Democrats were making mountains out of molehills (AKA "Nothingburgers" as you often like to state), voter fraud is a nothingburger.
While there is not official poll to confirm, there are estimates that say that 1 to 2 percent of the US population has doubts about the Earth being round. That means there are roughly 3.5 to 7 million flat earthers in this country. By comparison, groups that catalog voter fraud cases have found approximately 2000 cases over the course of the last 20 years. Something like 1 case per 300,000 votes cast.
So let that sink in.
The flat earther conspiracy is literally 1500x more common of a problem than voter fraud.
Nothing.
Burger.
We've got much bigger problems in this country that deserve more time, attention, and money than dealing with an issue that only seems to exist in the head of one man with a severely over inflated ego. Heck, let's start with some science and Astronomy classes and work our way up.
What was the number of & dollar figure of Somali day care fraud cases 2 years ago?
@squeakyclean @big-ryan you both are missing the point entirely.
i don't believe voter fraud is a real issue. i believe mail in voting is fine. BUT when confidence is as bad as set forth above with BOTH parties it's an issue. a real issue. and we're going to have revolts and problems. whether fraud is occurring isn't hte important part. trust and faith are what's important. and that is severely lacking with tens of millions of people
No. I'm not missing the point at all. What needs to be pounded is the truth. Evidence. Proof. Burdens of proof. There's no evidence of widespread voter fraud that is impacting elections in study after study. The courts have weighed in, too, with the same conclusion. Same deal with government investigations.
The public doesn't have trust in much of anything anymore. Social media is mostly to blame. But if the truth is hammered endlessly, like lies are on social media, perceptions can change.
My wife sent a check to the utility company to pay our bill. Prove she wrote it.
@squeakyclean @big-ryan you both are missing the point entirely.
i don't believe voter fraud is a real issue. i believe mail in voting is fine. BUT when confidence is as bad as set forth above with BOTH parties it's an issue. a real issue. and we're going to have revolts and problems. whether fraud is occurring isn't hte important part. trust and faith are what's important. and that is severely lacking with tens of millions of people
And your solutions are to treat the symptoms, not the cause. Taking the anti-vomiting pills doesn't make the cancer go away.
Ask yourself what the main cause of this growing mistrust is coming from. You've already admitted that it's not actually the system itself.
I think the solution to this "issue" could be made alot cheaper and easier with 10 senators telling one man to shut the bleep up versus spending millions of dollars and 10's of thousands of man hours of time to implement these systems. And you know what, even if we do put them in, it's not going to "solve" the problem. All of this "loss of faith" is based upon a lie, spewing from one man that unfortunately has a massive pulpit to speak from.
We could institute all of these voter ID requirements, Trump will still lose the midterms, and he will still scream about fraud, because he can't admit to the fact that he lost.
EDIT: Based upon your other response, "you can't convince them. so take away those things that make them suspicious", see my last point. It wont help. Trump will make up a new lie as to why he (or those he endorses) lost. Those people will then move on to their new conspiracy theory that Trump is spewing. Millions of dollars wasted. Again. Wasn't the Republican party supposed to be the ones championing reduced government spending?
The “cause” of this symptom is the lack of safeguards, & the presence of identified opportunity to commit fraud. What you are advocating is waiting until it’s too late to do anything about it.