@squeakyclean @big-ryan you both are missing the point entirely.
i don't believe voter fraud is a real issue. i believe mail in voting is fine. BUT when confidence is as bad as set forth above with BOTH parties it's an issue. a real issue. and we're going to have revolts and problems. whether fraud is occurring isn't hte important part. trust and faith are what's important. and that is severely lacking with tens of millions of people
No. I'm not missing the point at all. What needs to be pounded is the truth. Evidence. Proof. Burdens of proof. There's no evidence of widespread voter fraud that is impacting elections in study after study. The courts have weighed in, too, with the same conclusion. Same deal with government investigations.
The public doesn't have trust in much of anything anymore. Social media is mostly to blame. But if the truth is hammered endlessly, like lies are on social media, perceptions can change.
My wife sent a check to the utility company to pay our bill. Prove she wrote it.
You made the claim. You prove it.
If I said, "Bullshit, she didn't write it," then I'd have to prove my claim.
That's how it works.
I think the solution to this "issue" could be made alot cheaper and easier with 10 senators telling one man to shut the bleep up versus spending millions of dollars and 10's of thousands of man hours of time to implement these systems. And you know what, even if we do put them in, it's not going to "solve" the problem. All of this "loss of faith" is based upon a lie, spewing from one man that unfortunately has a massive pulpit to speak from.
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@big-ryan no. It doesn’t. Put in the safeguards so proof isn’t an issue
I would contend the “cause” is running 3rd world style elections, knowing it’s a fucked system and refusing to do anything about it.
You compound that with opposition to the SAVE Act which has wide public support and people start to question exactly what your motives are.
“Hey look at these crazy Republicans, they think we’re up to something shady because we keep doing shady shit”
- That’s you and every other blinkered leftist.
1) Parts of the SAVE act have wide public support (and even then, you're still talking about 60%ish). Feel free to encourage your representative to take out all the over-the-top stuff and it will pass with bipartisan support.
2) Define "shady shit". Every time this issue is brought up, the correct response is "Show us the proof", and we get linked stories about vague, one-off cases of voter registrations of a dog or dead people on voter rolls. Yet every time that these cases end up going to court, or get scrutinized a little deeper, it always ends up being either A) A mistake that is corrected and no votes were every actually cast for said canine / dead person or B) turns out to be a lie.
So put-up or shut-up. Show us this rampant voter fraud. Not one-offs. Show me how elections are being altered.
Your "belief" is not enough to justify taking my tax-payer dollars to overhaul a system that is working just fine.
shady shit.
could do it all day long. there's a reason dems don't like the save act. there's a reason calif has no id to vote. there's a reason dems want open borders. these things are very intentional
Let's go back to the flat earthers analogy.
Why? That analogy isn’t even a mediocre attempt at a useful analysis.
As I pointed out the voting infrastructure supporting fraud is now baked into the voting systems in many states; registration with skimpy or non-existent citizenship documents, unrestricted ballot harvesting, mail voter with skimpy or non-existent verification, in-person voting with no id required, late votes counted, and weak chain of custody requirements for ballot tabulation. All of this has been specifically put into effect in the last several years by Democrats led by people like Marc Elias. This is all legal. If a harvester only visits known democrats to pick up uncompleted mail ballots no law would be broken. The system can be easily abused and without a whistleblower the fraud would be undetected and undetectable.
a big tell for me is the Democrats will steadfastly oppose all efforts to tighten the system. I don’t think they do that because Democrats tend to be flat earthers.
@co-hoosier this hasn't been a good morning for the dems on the board. scalps are being taken in multiple threads. @old-crescent where are you son?
@oneeyedundertaker @squeakyclean
we have no idea how much fraud occurs that isn’t caught
You did read that article, right?
You will notice that no actual voter fraud occurred.
There was potential for future voter fraud, which frankly would have been a rather large effort on her part because she would have had to 1) Gone to her old address and somehow yanked the ballots from the mailbox before the current tenant found them, 2) Hunted down the original homeless person and convinced / payed them to place a vote, and 3) Hope and pray that nobody noticed that 20 people all had the same address, which is likely the reason that she was caught in the first place.
There seems to be this misconception that there are absolutely no safeguards in place to stop this kind of thing from happening.
Again, show me where massive voter fraud that is affecting election results is occurring.
@co-hoosier Tell us again, counsel, how "you’ll never [be] convinced there is no voter fraud just cuz nobody has discovered it." LOL.Let's go back to the flat earthers analogy.
Why? That analogy isn’t even a mediocre attempt at a useful analysis.
As I pointed out the voting infrastructure supporting fraud is now baked into the voting systems in many states; registration with skimpy or non-existent citizenship documents, unrestricted ballot harvesting, mail voter with skimpy or non-existent verification, in-person voting with no id required, late votes counted, and weak chain of custody requirements for ballot tabulation. All of this has been specifically put into effect in the last several years by Democrats led by people like Mark Elias. This is all legal. If a harvester only visits known democrats to pick up uncompleted mail ballots no law would be broken. The system can be easily abused and without a whistleblower the fraud would be undetected and undetectable.
a big tell for me is the Democrats will steadfastly oppose all efforts to tighten the system. I don’t think they do that because Democrats tend to be flat earthers.
massive voter fraud that is affecting election results is occurring.
never said this so don't mischaracterize. in fact i've said i don't believe it does. however there are instances of cheating, people being paid to vote, ballots burned, dumped, and the likelihood of cheating increases dramatically without the need for an id. that's absolutely common sense. why do you think you need an id to buy beer. what i have maintained and demonstrated is that confidence isn't great and that exists with both parties. and that's a problem. that's my thesis.
And that's why two Dems advanced to the gubernatorial election in California this week? Oh? That didn't happen? Hmmm.Let's go back to the flat earthers analogy.
Why? That analogy isn’t even a mediocre attempt at a useful analysis.
As I pointed out the voting infrastructure supporting fraud is now baked into the voting systems in many states; registration with skimpy or non-existent citizenship documents, unrestricted ballot harvesting, mail voter with skimpy or non-existent verification, in-person voting with no id required, late votes counted, and weak chain of custody requirements for ballot tabulation. All of this has been specifically put into effect in the last several years by Democrats led by people like Mark Elias. This is all legal. If a harvester only visits known democrats to pick up uncompleted mail ballots no law would be broken. The system can be easily abused and without a whistleblower the fraud would be undetected and undetectable.
a big tell for me is the Democrats will steadfastly oppose all efforts to tighten the system. I don’t think they do that because Democrats tend to be flat earthers.
@squeakyclean https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5905695-los-angeles-election-interference-warning/
in person. with id. common sense. there's a reasons dems don't want it.
Because no one ever bought alcohol or cigarettes with a fake ID.massive voter fraud that is affecting election results is occurring.
never said this so don't mischaracterize. in fact i've said i don't believe it does. however there are instances of cheating, people being paid to vote, ballots burned, dumped, and the likelihood of cheating increases dramatically without the need for an id. that's absolutely common sense. why do you think you need an id to buy beer. what i have maintained and demonstrated is that confidence isn't great and that exists with both parties. and that's a problem. that's my thesis.
@gros-louis in the 80s. tech has made it much more difficult. you can't go to the hobby shop and glue on tiny numbers