Get a coaching hire correct and it will take care of itself. I was all over DD before he coached a game. Because it was a bad hire. That's the issue ... stop screwing up the hiring process..:
I was so excited during the search ... and then DeVries was announced. I'll always love IU, but part of my fandom left the building that day. Sure, DD took Drake to the NCAAT a few times, but he only finished 1st in the MVC once in six seasons. (Oh yeah, I almost forgot: He nearly took WVU to the tourney. Yippee.)
I know it's only Chapter 1, but I'm fairly confident I know how the book ends.
Get a coaching hire correct and it will take care of itself. I was all over DD before he coached a game. Because it was a bad hire. That's the issue ... stop screwing up the hiring process..:
I was so excited during the search ... and then DeVries was announced. I'll always love IU, but part of my fandom left the building that day. Sure, DD took Drake to the NCAAT a few times, but he only finished 1st in the MVC once in six seasons. (Oh yeah, I almost forgot: He nearly took WVU to the tourney. Yippee.)
I know it's only Chapter 1, but I'm fairly confident I know how the book ends.
Drake went to the tournament 4x under Devries. And 4 other times in the history of the program., most recently over a decade ago.
Get a coaching hire correct and it will take care of itself. I was all over DD before he coached a game. Because it was a bad hire. That's the issue ... stop screwing up the hiring process..:
I was so excited during the search ... and then DeVries was announced. I'll always love IU, but part of my fandom left the building that day. Sure, DD took Drake to the NCAAT a few times, but he only finished 1st in the MVC once in six seasons. (Oh yeah, I almost forgot: He nearly took WVU to the tourney. Yippee.)
I know it's only Chapter 1, but I'm fairly confident I know how the book ends.
Drake went to the tournament 4x under Devries. And 4 other times in the history of the program., most recently over a decade ago.
Awesome. How many bids as a HM coach in two seasons? (But but but ... injuries at WVU, didn't have enough time to recruit at IU, blah blah blah).
It's simply my opinion, not a verdict. Next season will tell us a lot.
Get a coaching hire correct and it will take care of itself. I was all over DD before he coached a game. Because it was a bad hire. That's the issue ... stop screwing up the hiring process..:
I was so excited during the search ... and then DeVries was announced. I'll always love IU, but part of my fandom left the building that day. Sure, DD took Drake to the NCAAT a few times, but he only finished 1st in the MVC once in six seasons. (Oh yeah, I almost forgot: He nearly took WVU to the tourney. Yippee.)
I know it's only Chapter 1, but I'm fairly confident I know how the book ends.
Going to be a middle of the pack big ten coach. He is not going to outcoach izzo, painter, underwood, May, Ben M, Gard, and maybe not even Medved. I see the ceiling as like 6th or 7th place in the good years. It is what it is if you want to be elite you have to think outside the box and sometimes even hir a guy some might consider shady.
Get a coaching hire correct and it will take care of itself. I was all over DD before he coached a game. Because it was a bad hire. That's the issue ... stop screwing up the hiring process..:
I was so excited during the search ... and then DeVries was announced. I'll always love IU, but part of my fandom left the building that day. Sure, DD took Drake to the NCAAT a few times, but he only finished 1st in the MVC once in six seasons. (Oh yeah, I almost forgot: He nearly took WVU to the tourney. Yippee.)
I know it's only Chapter 1, but I'm fairly confident I know how the book ends.
Drake went to the tournament 4x under Devries. And 4 other times in the history of the program., most recently over a decade ago.
big deal. That qualifies him to retain his job at Drake. Archie did pretty good at Dayton too. He's our coach for next year like it or not doesn't mean he should be ... a year from now it will be clearer to more...
Get a coaching hire correct and it will take care of itself. I was all over DD before he coached a game. Because it was a bad hire. That's the issue ... stop screwing up the hiring process..:
I was so excited during the search ... and then DeVries was announced. I'll always love IU, but part of my fandom left the building that day. Sure, DD took Drake to the NCAAT a few times, but he only finished 1st in the MVC once in six seasons. (Oh yeah, I almost forgot: He nearly took WVU to the tourney. Yippee.)
I know it's only Chapter 1, but I'm fairly confident I know how the book ends.
Drake went to the tournament 4x under Devries. And 4 other times in the history of the program., most recently over a decade ago.
Awesome. How many bids as a HM coach in two seasons? (But but but ... injuries at WVU, didn't have enough time to recruit at IU, blah blah blah).
It's simply my opinion, not a verdict. Next season will tell us a lot.
I've neither defended Devries at WVU or at IU. Simply pointing out the facts that you're conveniently skipping over as you tickle the keys on your keyboard over and over and over and over and over.
Drake was either 1st or 2nd (tied in at least one case) in the MVC 5/6 years under him. The off year being the covid year.
In the 10 years prior to Devries, they were seeded 7, 8 9 or 10 for 9 of those 10 years. Only other year was 4th under Medved.
You don't have those sustained results over the course of a season in a pretty competitive conference without knowing how to coach. Now he needs to translate it here. Quickly.
I'd pay good money to know who Dolson genuinely considered besides DD. Maybe the "big names" weren't realistic, but why not go after a guy like Byington? Or Schertz? There were better M-M/1st Year HM coaches available than DD, imo.
I'm calling BS that Byington or Schertz would have been universally praised on here or by fans in general if they were hired. Based on what?
Byington had 1 P5 season under his belt, finishing 8-10 in conference and a 10 seed. You're going to tell me that's definitively superior than DDV's first year at WVU after losing 2 starters? His name was also tossed around during the search on these forums and I don't recall a bunch of universal support.
Schertz is interesting but it would have solely been off of D2 results. His first year at St. Louis was nothing to write home about and plenty of ppl would have been up in arms about hiring him. Lets also not forget that he and DDV were both in the MVC at the same time and DDV dominated him 5-2 head-to-head.
This reeks of revisionist history. Those 2 hires have definitely proven some upward momentum now....in year 2 of their programs. I don't buy for 1 second that those hires would not have been panned on here if they were made last year after their 1st seasons at new programs.
I guess the assumption is that anybody falling off the turnip truck would've done better than DeVries first year here.
Other coaches get at least year two before we make the major pronouncement on ability, but not our own guy. (Yeah, I'm guilty, but trying to dial it back a bit and be optimistic.)
Will it will not be long before the ones who remember national title will start dying so soon there will be zero expectations at all and making the tourney can be celebrated with open arms. So maybe at the point we can get a good coach who is not scared because fans expected more than just making the tourney
Actually, you already see it. My son is 30, his friends, my nephews, kids at work, all of them around that same age, only really know Crean forward. If you look at the Twitter or Reddit posts of what are likely similarly aged people and add those to what I hear from the others I've mentioned, there's a lot of yearning for the Glory days of Tom Freaking Crean "when we were rolling". Or cooking or whatever phrase they use
People were cheering like crazy that Woody snuck into the tournament a couple of times while never being a threat to win a conference title.
Meanwhile, we fired Coach Knight, who we were told was past his prime despite making the tournament every year, which would now be considered "being back" by a lot of younger fans.
It breaks my heart.
Hope is not optimism, which expects things to turn out well, but something rooted in the conviction that there is good worth working for. - Seamus Heaney, Irish poet and likely Hoosier basketball fan. POTFB
Will it will not be long before the ones who remember national title will start dying so soon there will be zero expectations at all and making the tourney can be celebrated with open arms. So maybe at the point we can get a good coach who is not scared because fans expected more than just making the tourney
Actually, you already see it. My son is 30, his friends, my nephews, kids at work, all of them around that same age, only really know Crean forward. If you look at the Twitter or Reddit posts of what are likely similarly aged people and add those to what I hear from the others I've mentioned, there's a lot of yearning for the Glory days of Tom Freaking Crean "when we were rolling". Or cooking or whatever phrase they use
People were cheering like crazy that Woody snuck into the tournament a couple of times while never being a threat to win a conference title.
Meanwhile, we fired Coach Knight, who we were told was past his prime despite making the tournament every year, which would now be considered "being back" by a lot of younger fans.
It breaks my heart.
amazing how it has unfolded... what a stark difference
amazing how it has unfolded... what a stark difference
It'll go the other way for them too. They're going to associate us with a good football program that doesn't accept mediocrity or self imposed limitations.
Hope is not optimism, which expects things to turn out well, but something rooted in the conviction that there is good worth working for. - Seamus Heaney, Irish poet and likely Hoosier basketball fan. POTFB
I guess the assumption is that anybody falling off the turnip truck would've done better than DeVries first year here.
Other coaches get at least year two before we make the major pronouncement on ability, but not our own guy. (Yeah, I'm guilty, but trying to dial it back a bit and be optimistic.)
If we had not basically been garbage for 25 years people would probably have alot more patience but patience ran out years ago for many of us. How many times have we heard just give him three years to get this thing going. So yes people are now impatient.
