except everyone was abused by michigan's bigs.
they abused tarris reed too. the destroyed mo krivas from arizona.
@iureactionary Hope you're right... I worry about Ishbia's involvement with Izzo. It sure sounds like he's becoming more involved. IU has their own versions of that, but I'm not sure we have anyone that would have that level of relationship with our program, with that type of money. Ishbia, if Izzo compelled him to, could bank roll the most expensive NCAA bball roster over night, and not lose any sleep over it.
OMG now they are tracking airline flights to Europe.
OK, I'll play along what is this all about? Flying to Belgrade in the middle of portal season. Could we actually be getting an international big? Maybe Luigi Suigo or Lazar Stojkovic? This is interesting would sure like to know more.
Amsterdam is somewhere near Finland and Ognjen Srzentic is a heavily talked about wing from Serbia. Add Mikka and Srzentic to Sherrell and Burton this week DD you'll definitely have my attention. Nobody goes to Serbia for vacation. Amsterdam yes.
@arioznahoosier4554 I think Jamie Jordan is on to something... he's a guy you get as hopefully a solid filler, amongst 1-2 more elite guys, same as Mustaf. Solid main rotation guys, on a good team, IF, there are a couple studs leading the team.
At this point, and its really early, but at this point, the concern is we get Burton, Mustaf, and Harris... but whiff on any other elite, all B10 level guys. At THAT point, Harris, Mustaf, and even Burton, will be very, very heavily scrutinized. It will be similar to this past year's team... where basically all players will be compared with guys on other teams that are just better than they are, and shouldn't really be compared to. But since they're the best players on our team, and we all have lofty expectations... not a great recipe.
Long winded way of saying Harris is probably good as a 4-6 type option. If we need him to carry any sort of major role, we're phucked.
correct.
iu is spending big on the top end guys and they need to get guys they think could breakout for other starting roles that won't break the bank. iu doesn't have kentucky money but they have good money.
i think people seem to not understand how "moneyball" actually works. you get a guy that has the traits you like but wasn't in a role to show that so he may cost less. this is why iu brought in ryan carr. they need the evaluations to be good for the lower priced guys in order to have the money for the big boys.
i'm a huge baseball fan so this may be into the weeds a bit...the red sox traded quinn priester to the brewers...the return and all that doesn't really matter. my point is that they got back a compensatory 2nd round pick. they drafted a guy named marcus phillips with that pick because they knew he was a project but had the traits in a pitcher they liked. they knew it would take less than the mlb slot value to sign him...they used that nearly 1m savings to draft a 3rd rounder named anthony eyanson (also a pitcher) who slipped because people knew he wanted big money...the sox used the money they saved from phillips to draft and sign eyanson. (edit: it's crazy that a 3rd rounder signed for more than a 2nd rounder but that's how it works in baseball with slot value's + a total draft pool you can't go over...a firm budget based on how many picks you have).
long winded way of saying iu needs to use that line of thinking for guys like mustaf and harris. they have traits iu values but have either not shown it yet (harris) or been ineffecient on a bad team (mustaf) but both players have 4* pedigree's and showed promise in high school. it's also smart from their perspective because they get a chance to (re)build their own value.
@arioznahoosier4554 Foreign impact players is a wild card that could save the offseason, if we end up whiffing on some of these higher end portal guys. Hope our plane is faster than Illinois and Arizona's planes are!
I thought holier than thou Izzo so t ply the money/portal game
Bizjack off the board
except everyone was abused by michigan's bigs.
they abused tarris reed too. the destroyed mo krivas from arizona.
Reed held up much better against them than Reibe. And also got some against the Michigan bigs. Reed v. the Miochigan bigs was no less than a draw for Reed. Not dissing Reibe. As I stated, I think he's a very good prospect, and as good as we can get.
What makes you say that? Do you have your own sources ... or are you just parroting online chatter?Burton and Mustaf seem like a matter of "when" and not "if".
I'm not at all saying you're wrong; I'm just curious where the info is coming from.
@iureactionary Gotta hit on the assessments, and be able to close on the more proven elite guys they go after, for this approach to work... obviously. I worry about their evaluations if Burton was their primary target for one of their big money guard positions. A big money playmaker in the B10, at his size, that doesn't really defend, and isn't an overly willing passer... sketchy... depending on what Burton's bag is.
These numbers might not be right, but I'd rather they spent 9, even 10 million on Bidunga and Shelstead than 7-8 million on Burton and Sherrell. I'd have probably overspent, like Louisville did, on that duo. And then got to work on money balling the rest of the roster. Seems that's what they're trying to do with Burton and Sherrell though, so if they can land them... guys like Harris and Mustaf end up making a lot more sense. If not... I fear it's pretty easy to predict everyone's commentary on them come January when we're hovering around bubble status, and getting thumped by the Michigans and Illinois of the conference... and a big reason being how inconsistent our top guys are against good teams.
@gthomas Yes, I do have my own sources. I'm not taking information from a random Twitter bot like David Lee or George Lettice and then writing it on this forum. If it is a rumor, I will include that caveat. I am comfortable with what I wrote as being accurate.
@arioznahoosier4554 I think Jamie Jordan is on to something... he's a guy you get as hopefully a solid filler, amongst 1-2 more elite guys, same as Mustaf. Solid main rotation guys, on a good team, IF, there are a couple studs leading the team.
At this point, and its really early, but at this point, the concern is we get Burton, Mustaf, and Harris... but whiff on any other elite, all B10 level guys. At THAT point, Harris, Mustaf, and even Burton, will be very, very heavily scrutinized. It will be similar to this past year's team... where basically all players will be compared with guys on other teams that are just better than they are, and shouldn't really be compared to. But since they're the best players on our team, and we all have lofty expectations... not a great recipe.
Long winded way of saying Harris is probably good as a 4-6 type option. If we need him to carry any sort of major role, we're phucked.
correct.
iu is spending big on the top end guys and they need to get guys they think could breakout for other starting roles that won't break the bank. iu doesn't have kentucky money but they have good money.
i think people seem to not understand how "moneyball" actually works. you get a guy that has the traits you like but wasn't in a role to show that so he may cost less. this is why iu brought in ryan carr. they need the evaluations to be good for the lower priced guys in order to have the money for the big boys.
i'm a huge baseball fan so this may be into the weeds a bit...the red sox traded quinn priester to the brewers...the return and all that doesn't really matter. my point is that they got back a compensatory 2nd round pick. they drafted a guy named marcus phillips with that pick because they knew he was a project but had the traits in a pitcher they liked. they knew it would take less than the mlb slot value to sign him...they used that nearly 1m savings to draft a 3rd rounder named anthony eyanson (also a pitcher) who slipped because people knew he wanted big money...the sox used the money they saved from phillips to draft and sign eyanson. (edit: it's crazy that a 3rd rounder signed for more than a 2nd rounder but that's how it works in baseball with slot value's + a total draft pool you can't go over...a firm budget based on how many picks you have).
long winded way of saying iu needs to use that line of thinking for guys like mustaf and harris. they have traits iu values but have either not shown it yet (harris) or been ineffecient on a bad team (mustaf) but both players have 4* pedigree's and showed promise in high school. it's also smart from their perspective because they get a chance to (re)build their own value.
We get it. It's not that complicated.
reed is one of the best bigs in the country and he was 4-12 fg with 3 turnovers. the guy was a beast on the glass but a couple of his offensive rebounds were his own bad misses and many of the others were off of long braylon mullins or alex karaban bricks.
reibe played 5 total minutes in that game and had no stats other than a turnover. i can't really take much away from that performance given just how good michigan's game plan on defense was and just how inefficient basically every uconn player was.
@arioznahoosier4554 I think Jamie Jordan is on to something... he's a guy you get as hopefully a solid filler, amongst 1-2 more elite guys, same as Mustaf. Solid main rotation guys, on a good team, IF, there are a couple studs leading the team.
At this point, and its really early, but at this point, the concern is we get Burton, Mustaf, and Harris... but whiff on any other elite, all B10 level guys. At THAT point, Harris, Mustaf, and even Burton, will be very, very heavily scrutinized. It will be similar to this past year's team... where basically all players will be compared with guys on other teams that are just better than they are, and shouldn't really be compared to. But since they're the best players on our team, and we all have lofty expectations... not a great recipe.
Long winded way of saying Harris is probably good as a 4-6 type option. If we need him to carry any sort of major role, we're phucked.
correct.
iu is spending big on the top end guys and they need to get guys they think could breakout for other starting roles that won't break the bank. iu doesn't have kentucky money but they have good money.
i think people seem to not understand how "moneyball" actually works. you get a guy that has the traits you like but wasn't in a role to show that so he may cost less. this is why iu brought in ryan carr. they need the evaluations to be good for the lower priced guys in order to have the money for the big boys.
i'm a huge baseball fan so this may be into the weeds a bit...the red sox traded quinn priester to the brewers...the return and all that doesn't really matter. my point is that they got back a compensatory 2nd round pick. they drafted a guy named marcus phillips with that pick because they knew he was a project but had the traits in a pitcher they liked. they knew it would take less than the mlb slot value to sign him...they used that nearly 1m savings to draft a 3rd rounder named anthony eyanson (also a pitcher) who slipped because people knew he wanted big money...the sox used the money they saved from phillips to draft and sign eyanson. (edit: it's crazy that a 3rd rounder signed for more than a 2nd rounder but that's how it works in baseball with slot value's + a total draft pool you can't go over...a firm budget based on how many picks you have).
long winded way of saying iu needs to use that line of thinking for guys like mustaf and harris. they have traits iu values but have either not shown it yet (harris) or been ineffecient on a bad team (mustaf) but both players have 4* pedigree's and showed promise in high school. it's also smart from their perspective because they get a chance to (re)build their own value.
We get it. It's not that complicated.
some people clearly don't get it, actually.
@gthomas Yes, I do have my own sources. I'm not taking information from a random Twitter bot like David Lee or George Lettice and then writing it on this forum. If it is a rumor, I will include that caveat. I am comfortable with what I wrote as being accurate.
David Lee Roth and Lettuce are probably just trolls looking for engagement but enough people eat it up that they keep doing it. Heck the guys on btown banners still believe the guy who told them Stevens to IU was a done deal. People just believe what they want to be true.
Burton to IU with Houston dropping out just seem logical so for David Lee Roth to say it does not make him any source of inside info I am calling it as well and I have no info.