@surjay Something about NIL and portal dynamics haven't suited him well.
he hates NIL.
Sounds like the kind of coach we should back up the brinks truck to get. Old, dirty, coming off a terrible year, misaligned with IU's values, and hates NIL.
Sounds perfect. Can't believe we didn't call him. Malpractice.
he would have come. And if you can't admit he's a better coach than Doorknob than you're obviously the one who's delusional. Hates it doesn't mean he doesn't embrace it nor refuse to use it. You and you're righteousness about a non factor issue... I suppose you think RMK and his antics he should have been fired too. And that outlook is why we are where we are today. You sound like you're related to Dolson or doorknob ... is this Willdog.
You sound like Dolson banged your mom.
Drew's last season was worse than the one that caused you turn on DeVries in the middle of season one. He's the savior? Or does he have one foot out the door, like every other coach that hates NIL?
16-16 this year. That's the guy that would come? Really missed the boat. We shoulda driven to Waco, boom box in hand, and blasted "In Your Eyes" by Peter Gabriel outside his office. Shoulda really pulled out all the stops.
my moms dead asshole.
he's got one more banner than any coach we've had since the 80's. And again is you can't admit he's a better coach than the last 3 we've had your clueless. And he's just one example. There are several others we could have pursued. Yall give up to easily. If you want something you have to go get it.
you like never had to hire anyone in your life.
Really, really dumb.
@surjay Something about NIL and portal dynamics haven't suited him well.
he hates NIL.
Sounds like the kind of coach we should back up the brinks truck to get. Old, dirty, coming off a terrible year, misaligned with IU's values, and hates NIL.
Sounds perfect. Can't believe we didn't call him. Malpractice.
he would have come. And if you can't admit he's a better coach than Doorknob than you're obviously the one who's delusional. Hates it doesn't mean he doesn't embrace it nor refuse to use it. You and you're righteousness about a non factor issue... I suppose you think RMK and his antics he should have been fired too. And that outlook is why we are where we are today. You sound like you're related to Dolson or doorknob ... is this Willdog.
You sound like Dolson banged your mom.
Drew's last season was worse than the one that caused you turn on DeVries in the middle of season one. He's the savior? Or does he have one foot out the door, like every other coach that hates NIL?
16-16 this year. That's the guy that would come? Really missed the boat. We shoulda driven to Waco, boom box in hand, and blasted "In Your Eyes" by Peter Gabriel outside his office. Shoulda really pulled out all the stops.
my moms dead asshole.
he's got one more banner than any coach we've had since the 80's. And again is you can't admit he's a better coach than the last 3 we've had your clueless. And he's just one example. There are several others we could have pursued. Yall give up to easily. If you want something you have to go get it.
you like never had to hire anyone in your life.
Drew has one more banner than Cignetti and Todd Yeagley? So on top of everything else, you can't count. Figures.
I will bet Drew will not be better than coach than DeVries going forward. And if he is, it wouldn't be by much. Over the last two seasons when they were both high major coaches, they've both been meh.
Pre-NIL nattys are great, but they don't tell you anything about what a coach will do going forward.
I was referring to basketball. That's what we are talking about ... not talking about soccer or football. Why would you assume we were talking about anything but basketball.
Because you don't get to pick and choose. It's the same people making the decisions in all sports, including the successful ones.
Dolson does not become a genius or an inept fool just because the shape of the ball changes.
But, no surprise, you want to ignore that because it doesn't suit your imagined complaints.
Here, I'll play by your stupid rules: I'm my opinion, I bet that it matters. There, now my statements are unassailable, because I frame them as opinions.
I'm interested to know everyone's thoughts about who UNC will hire. What say you?
I don't see Lloyd or Donovan going to Chapel Hill, so I'll go with Byington. I'm not sure BD would bolt during the season ... and it doesn't make sense for Lloyd to make a lateral move when he has Arizona rolling. Two other "candidates" mentioned--May and McCollum--are non-starters, imo.
It's simply an educated guess ... my logic could be way off.
I don't think it will be anyone that is considered an "OMG what a snag!" hire, just like when Louisville, UK, Indiana hired their most recent guys. Could well be someone not even on the radar right now.I'm interested to know everyone's thoughts about who UNC will hire. What say you?
I don't see Lloyd or Donovan going to Chapel Hill, so I'll go with Byington. I'm not sure BD would bolt during the season ... and it doesn't make sense for Lloyd to make a lateral move when he has Arizona rolling. Two other "candidates" mentioned--May and McCollum--are non-starters, imo.
It's simply an educated guess ... my logic could be way off.
I wouldn't be surprised if that ends up being the case.Could well be someone not even on the radar right now.
@whatthefrik And he had 2 probable first round NBA picks on his team this year... and finished with a worse record, and lower finish, in a worse conference, than CDD and IU did, in his 23rd season.
He's had just as many double digit finishes in the B12 (5), as he's had top 1 or 2 finishes (5), in his 23 seasons. And outside the 21-23 teams, he's perennially been a "middle of the pack" type program.
Maybe he's better than CDD? Maybe not? Nothing he did through similar points in both their careers points to that, but we'll see where CDD's career goes.
I loved how his great teams from 21-23 played. I loved his "no ball reversal" defensive philosophies, and his modern offensive stuff... but that might have been influenced by seeing guys like Butler and Mitchell and Teague running it. As it hasn't really worked well for him since those guys left... despite having some very high end talent like VJ Edgecombe.
I'd have been fine with him over CDD. But I'm not certain, at all, that he's any sort of better coach than what CDD is, or will become. I think Drew, at IU, would have likely been able to attract some pretty darn good talent though.
Its all a moot point though...because he's despised by too many people in and around the buildings in Bloomington. And for good reason.
Yeah, he's also a terrible fit. Hyper religious, Baptist private school type. Doesn't fit in. He turned down Kentucky for a reason.
If we somehow did pry him away, it would take millions in guaranteed, full buyout salary. His deal would make Woodson's look like a bargain. We'd be married to a guy that, at his best, probably delivers Crean results. High enough peaks, but floors that end up making H94 create a new screen name so he can drag him.
DeVries may not be the guy. I preferred McCollum, but whatever. Water under the bridge. If CDD doesn't work, and there's no obvious up and coming alumni out there, you try again.
What you don't do is bark up 17 wrong trees on your way. It leaks, you look like desperate losers, and good coaches choose other schools while you waste your time. There is a reason UNC and Duke went with long-time assistant alums when their HOF coaches retired. Stevens, Wright, Bennett, Few, aren't coming. Good young coaches at lower levels are lottery tickets. Some hit, most bust.
And if you hit, then you have to keep the NBA away.
DD is probably the best Dolson could do. Someday I'll have to accept that IU is just an average/above-average coaching gig that won't have top-notch suitors.
Same! Not to mention, he took that same 4-14 conf team this yr to the conf tourney final game- they were playing well at the end and almost snuck into the danceNo, not Drew. We were supposed to get the awesome Chris Beard! 4-14 in the SEC. Niiice...
So a coach is only his last season now?
Beard has an E8, a F4 (made the final game), a S16 and a few other tournament appearances since he's been a Division I head coach. Multiple conference championshiips and Coach of the Year awards. Of the "reasonably possible" candidates he was my preference before Devries was hired.
@gthomas been saying this for a few years. The IU we all grew up w is gone as far as hoops goes.
I’ll still cheer and hope, but it is what it is with no end of mediocrity in sight
Yeah, he's also a terrible fit. Hyper religious, Baptist private school type. Doesn't fit in. He turned down Kentucky for a reason.
If we somehow did pry him away, it would take millions in guaranteed, full buyout salary. His deal would make Woodson's look like a bargain. We'd be married to a guy that, at his best, probably delivers Crean results. High enough peaks, but floors that end up making H94 create a new screen name so he can drag him.
DeVries may not be the guy. I preferred McCollum, but whatever. Water under the bridge. If CDD doesn't work, and there's no obvious up and coming alumni out there, you try again.
What you don't do is bark up 17 wrong trees on your way. It leaks, you look like desperate losers, and good coaches choose other schools while you waste your time. There is a reason UNC and Duke went with long-time assistant alums when their HOF coaches retired. Stevens, Wright, Bennett, Few, aren't coming. Good young coaches at lower levels are lottery tickets. Some hit, most bust.
And if you hit, then you have to keep the NBA away.
I'm still here you ass clown ...
he's not uber religious. If you knew facts instead of your guesses as facts then perhaps people would appreciate your comments. Nice try. He isn't even Baptist
“… if any of these guys leave without knowing Christ, that would be the real loss.”
Scott Drew is widely considered one of the most vocally and actively religious coaches in high-major college basketball. His faith is the central pillar of the Baylor program’s identity, which he famously rebranded as a "Culture of J.O.Y."
The "Culture of J.O.Y."
The defining framework for Drew’s program is the acronym J.O.Y., which stands for Jesus, Others, and Yourself. He teaches his players that success comes from maintaining that specific hierarchy: putting faith first, teammates and family second, and personal ambitions last.
Integration into Daily Life
Unlike programs where faith might be a private matter, Drew integrates religious practice into the team's official routine:
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Prayer: Every practice and staff meeting begins and ends with prayer. The team also gathers for a prayer circle on the court immediately following games.
Bible Studies: The coaching staff holds their own weekly Bible studies, and there are voluntary but highly attended Bible studies and chapel services for the players.
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Ministry Focus: Drew has stated that he views his coaching role as a ministry. In his book, The Road to J.O.Y., he notes that he considers "winning the game of life" (spiritual salvation) more important than his win-loss record.
Coaching Philosophy and Impact
Drew often speaks about his arrival at Baylor in 2003—during a period of deep scandal—as a "calling" from God. His approach is characterized by an relentless, almost "Sunday school preacher" level of optimism that many analysts initially mistook for a persona, but now widely recognize as a genuine reflection of his beliefs.
"If any of these guys leave without knowing Christ, that would be the real loss." — Scott Drew
Spiritual Growth over Athletics
While Baylor has reached the pinnacle of the sport, winning the 2021 NCAA National Championship, Drew consistently emphasizes that the program's primary goal is the spiritual, academic, and character formation of the athletes. He has mentioned that seeing a player get baptized or grow in their faith is "more exciting" than winning a game.
Would you like me to look into how this faith-based culture specifically influences Baylor's recruiting process?
Baylor Basketball's Culture of J.O.Y.
This video features Scott Drew and his players explaining the "Jesus, Others, Yourself" philosophy and how it functions as the foundation of the Baylor basketball program.
Yeah he wrote a book. You found it. Good for you. He made money selling that book. He's an opportunist.. not unlike any other.
@hoosiers94 We've swung... but we've missed. We'll see if they can connect any different than we have. Hubert Davis being their coach for 6 years is a sign they've had similar issues luring away big names...just like Kentucky did, like Louisville did, like Arizona did... all those schools went big game hunting, they all had to settle for less than what they went after. Its worked out quite well for one of them, very blah for the other 2. UNC, with Jordan, could be a different animal though. We'll see.
From what I've seen online, UNC fans are delusional. Basically talking about getting Dusty May if Brad Stevens turns them down. I would be absolutely blown away if either of those guys even seriously considers UNC. I could see them taking a phone call - but I don't see either of them jumping to coach UNC at this point.
One guy I was almost certain would get a bigger power 4 job was John Groce from Akron. That guy took Ohio to a Sweet 16 and almost beat UNC. Took over at Illinois and had some decent years. Comes back to the MAC and essentially dominates at Akron (I think they got the league's automatic bid in 3 of the last 4 years). He just took the Charleston job. Other than weather and a much better town, that isn't a big step up in terms of basketball. Maybe killing it at Charleston will land him somewhere like Wake Forest or South Carolina down the road. Who knows.
Sounds like another fan base I know.From what I've seen online, UNC fans are delusional. Basically talking about getting Dusty May if Brad Stevens turns them down.