Re this one, didn't you write that state's actually could allow non-citizens to vote if they wanted to?5) Because non-citizens registering to vote in the United States is largely not a real problem, we find it appalling that anyone would support this sort of trade-off: making it harder for Americans to vote in order to gain zero benefit to the country.
If true, you could view this as a prophylactic measure. But I think the real reason is that many of the people pushing this think there is a lot of undetected illegal voting going on. Not sure how you disprove that.
Obtaining a birth certificate is easy. I even provided a link as a public service to the Democrats here who might be overwhelmed by a couple of simple clicks.
What about (one example) a 90-year old living in a nursing home who doesn't do "clicks", no longer has a birth certificate on hand, and has no one to help her jump through the required hoops? Let's just forget about her, though she's regularly voted for 70 years. And it has nothing to do with her party allegiances.
I can tell you from recent personal experience that a social worker is available to help nursing home residents navigate situations like this.
Any long term care facility with over 120 beds is required to have a social worker on staff by federal law. State laws vary, but the majority of nursing home residents have access to a social worker.
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I don’t think the Save Act applies retroactively. Maybe you can give me a fact check if you think it applies to a 90 year old who voted for 70 years.
Re this one, didn't you write that state's actually could allow non-citizens to vote if they wanted to?5) Because non-citizens registering to vote in the United States is largely not a real problem, we find it appalling that anyone would support this sort of trade-off: making it harder for Americans to vote in order to gain zero benefit to the country.
If true, you could view this as a prophylactic measure. But I think the real reason is that many of the people pushing this think there is a lot of undetected illegal voting going on. Not sure how you disprove that.
Yeah, that's true. But honestly, I was doing that to show that all these laws are technically unconstitutional, and the only reason they haven't been challenged is because there is no state that is anywhere close to allowing such a thing, anyway.
I think your last paragraph is probably the closest to reality. I don't think the right is pushing this as a way to make it harder for blacks and women to vote. I do think they are smart enough to know that it will lead to fewer people voting and that this will probably be a voter demographic shift that favors conservatives, but that's really only among the strategists. Among the vast swath of regular old folks who think this is a good idea, I think it's probably because they honestly believe loads of undocumented immigrants are being shipped here and given voter registrations.
Re this one, didn't you write that state's actually could allow non-citizens to vote if they wanted to?5) Because non-citizens registering to vote in the United States is largely not a real problem, we find it appalling that anyone would support this sort of trade-off: making it harder for Americans to vote in order to gain zero benefit to the country.
If true, you could view this as a prophylactic measure. But I think the real reason is that many of the people pushing this think there is a lot of undetected illegal voting going on. Not sure how you disprove that.
I do think they are smart enough to know that it will lead to fewer people voting and that this will probably be a voter demographic shift that favors conservatives, but that's really only among the strategists. Among the vast swath of regular old folks who think this is a good idea, I think it's probably because they honestly believe loads of undocumented immigrants are being shipped here and given voter registrations.
I think the notion that voter turnout would decrease is nonsense. 35-40% of people already don't vote. For the people who do vote getting a passport or birth certificate isn't going to stop them (and I'd wouldn't be surprised if 80-90% of them already have one or both).
What is wrong with “trust but verify”.
We have more illegals residing here than ever. With motor-voter registrations, same day registrations, and simple eligibility certifications to cast a ballot, and maybe showing a freely given drivers license, what exactly is your problem with citizenship verification ? The process won’t suppress anybody who intends to register and vote. But it might suppress those last minute impulse voters who may or may not be eligible. Why is that a problem?
What is unconstitutional?
The biggest problem with our voting system is that it allows people like you to vote.
I don’t think the Save Act applies retroactively. Maybe you can give me a fact check if you think it applies to a 90 year old who voted for 70 years.
My understanding is that existing voter registration would be insufficient for any future voting, unless and until you fulfill the proof of citizenship requirement. So grandma can't vote any more, unless she sucks it up and "shows us her papers".
Trump also wants to ban mail-in voting except for just a few exceptions (e.g., military, business travelers). Is that a good idea? I think you've already said that Colorado mail-in voting is exceptionally secure. So is Florida.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
Obtaining a birth certificate is easy. I even provided a link as a public service to the Democrats here who might be overwhelmed by a couple of simple clicks.
What about (one example) a 90-year old living in a nursing home who doesn't do "clicks", no longer has a birth certificate on hand, and has no one to help her jump through the required hoops? Let's just forget about her, though she's regularly voted for 70 years. And it has nothing to do with her party allegiances.
I can tell you from recent personal experience that a social worker is available to help nursing home residents navigate situations like this.
Any long term care facility with over 120 beds is required to have a social worker on staff by federal law. State laws vary, but the majority of nursing home residents have access to a social worker.
Oh......the wife left you. Hunting cougars are ya? Game respects game.
Re this one, didn't you write that state's actually could allow non-citizens to vote if they wanted to?5) Because non-citizens registering to vote in the United States is largely not a real problem, we find it appalling that anyone would support this sort of trade-off: making it harder for Americans to vote in order to gain zero benefit to the country.
If true, you could view this as a prophylactic measure. But I think the real reason is that many of the people pushing this think there is a lot of undetected illegal voting going on. Not sure how you disprove that.
I do think they are smart enough to know that it will lead to fewer people voting and that this will probably be a voter demographic shift that favors conservatives, but that's really only among the strategists. Among the vast swath of regular old folks who think this is a good idea, I think it's probably because they honestly believe loads of undocumented immigrants are being shipped here and given voter registrations.
I think the notion that voter turnout would decrease is nonsense. 35-40% of people already don't vote. For the people who do vote getting a passport or birth certificate isn't going to stop them (and I'd wouldn't be surprised if 80-90% of them already have one or both).
Law of large numbers. This isn't a Greek city-state. There are many millions of voters. Anything we do to change the voting process will lead to either an increase or decrease in actual turnout. This law would lead to a decrease in registration, and therefore turnout. What you're really saying is this added step wouldn't stop you, so you don't see why it should stop anyone else, but when dealing with this many people, not everyone will behave the same way. Some of them will be like you and still want to vote. Some won't.
I can tell you from recent personal experience that a social worker is available to help nursing home residents navigate situations like this.
Any long term care facility with over 120 beds is required to have a social worker on staff by federal law. State laws vary, but the majority of nursing home residents have access to a social worker.
I can also tell you from recent personal experience with four different elderly relatives that no such assistance was provided. Maybe they had to demand it, or maybe it was because none of the nursing homes involved met the 120 bed requirement. My expericenes were with 4 different nursing homes in Columbus IN, Seymour IN, and Holland MI.
I do recall at least two of them providing a shuttle on election day so that the patients could go and vote in person.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
Re this one, didn't you write that state's actually could allow non-citizens to vote if they wanted to?5) Because non-citizens registering to vote in the United States is largely not a real problem, we find it appalling that anyone would support this sort of trade-off: making it harder for Americans to vote in order to gain zero benefit to the country.
If true, you could view this as a prophylactic measure. But I think the real reason is that many of the people pushing this think there is a lot of undetected illegal voting going on. Not sure how you disprove that.
I do think they are smart enough to know that it will lead to fewer people voting and that this will probably be a voter demographic shift that favors conservatives, but that's really only among the strategists. Among the vast swath of regular old folks who think this is a good idea, I think it's probably because they honestly believe loads of undocumented immigrants are being shipped here and given voter registrations.
I think the notion that voter turnout would decrease is nonsense. 35-40% of people already don't vote. For the people who do vote getting a passport or birth certificate isn't going to stop them (and I'd wouldn't be surprised if 80-90% of them already have one or both).
Law of large numbers. This isn't a Greek city-state. There are many millions of voters. Anything we do to change the voting process will lead to either an increase or decrease in actual turnout. This law would lead to a decrease in registration, and therefore turnout. What you're really saying is this added step wouldn't stop you, so you don't see why it should stop anyone else, but when dealing with this many people, not everyone will behave the same way. Some of them will be like you and still want to vote. Some won't.
If 90%+ of people were voting I'd agree with you. I am a complete f#ck off and miss place everything and somehow have both. After one election cycle the numbers would be back to the same. I disagree with your notion that it's a hindrance to the voting populace. The people it would stop from voting already don't vote. Unfortunately, we won't get to find out who is right.
They don't vote now. There is no problem.
How do you know.... only a few states have enhanced Real IDs. Just because you have a real ID doesn't mean you are a US citizen (except in the few states that have the enhanced Real IDs).
There are 10 types of people in this world, those who know binary and those who don't.
It's not unfounded; you've argued it.@co-hoosier, please stop engaging with this guy. He's a complete troll. The more you engage, the more he might think people pay attention to or care about his comments, and the more he comes back.Walk us through exactly how the Save Act will suppress voters?
I'm a troll simply because I have a different opinion than you.
Throwing unfounded insults, like calling me a racist, just makes you an asshole.
And spare us the victim routine--you constantly write ridiculous, exaggerated insults towards posters here. Hell, you did it in this very thread.
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I've never argued anything that was even remotely racist.
You said requiring a birth certificate will suppress Democrat voting. Thats’s a racist belief.
no it's not.
Not any more than it is racist to be making voter suppression laws based on thinking it will suppress votes of people you don't want voting (women/black people). Making married women have to jump through even more hoops just because their name changes.
You have purple hair, ballz, breast and take 6 injection drugs per day,
Don'tcha?
If men were any more stupid, we would have breed for the extinction of women. Proof yet again that WE are the best thing they have going for them.