Walk us through exactly how the Save Act will suppress voters?
@co-hoosier, please stop engaging with this guy. He's a complete troll. The more you engage, the more he might think people pay attention to or care about his comments, and the more he comes back.
For what it's worth, UncleMark spelled the voter suppression argument out in a previous post. It's akin to microeconomics: higher cost (cost can be price OR toil to get your desired result) means relatively fewer purchasers. But that's true of ANY cost related to voting (having to show up at a polling place, waiting in line, etc.) and so it all comes down to tradeoffs.
The poster you're responding to, though, no doubt believes that the cost is directed at black people and they can't bear it--because he is a racist and classist and thinks black people and poor people are less able to get a simple drivers license (which is how this argument was waged for decades before this recent SAVE Act new citizenship requirements brought birth certificates and passports into the mix) than white people or the well off.
I'm a troll simply because I have a different opinion than you.
Throwing unfounded insults, like calling me a racist, just makes you an asshole.
It's not unfounded; you've argued it.
And spare us the victim routine--you constantly write ridiculous, exaggerated insults towards posters here. Hell, you did it in this very thread.
I've never argued anything that was even remotely racist. You're applying reasons for my argument that was never used by me. And you are the one that supports a racist in the White House. So if anyone is a racist here, it is you.
And your post 100% makes you an asshole.
Seriously, how did you escape daycare again? Let me guess you were in one of the Somalian ones. Get off of here and get back to Ms. Washburn before she takes belt to your a#%. She's a feisty one.
Obtaining a birth certificate is easy. I even provided a link as a public service to the Democrats here who might be overwhelmed by a couple of simple clicks.
Obtaining a birth certificate is easy. I even provided a link as a public service to the Democrats here who might be overwhelmed by a couple of simple clicks.
Most of them will be fine, they just think that women & minorities are too dumb or lazy to do it…
Obtaining a birth certificate is easy. I even provided a link as a public service to the Democrats here who might be overwhelmed by a couple of simple clicks.
Yes, thank you for your public service! I followed your link, and I don't know, but is this what "overwhelmed" looks like? Maybe you can tell me.
I've never argued anything that was even remotely racist.
You said requiring a birth certificate will suppress Democrat voting. Thats’s a racist belief.
no it's not.
Not any more than it is racist to be making voter suppression laws based on thinking it will suppress votes of people you don't want voting (women/black people). Making married women have to jump through even more hoops just because their name changes.
Throwing unfounded insults, like calling me a racist, just makes you an asshole.
yup, rather ironic that the person calling me a troll has no issues throwing insults and false accusations themselves.
Anyone that doesn't like the insults I toss back at posters should also not like the insults I was responding to...but we all know what posters get angry about is not the insults but the politics of the poster.
Obtaining a birth certificate is easy. I even provided a link as a public service to the Democrats here who might be overwhelmed by a couple of simple clicks.
Most of them will be fine, they just think that women & minorities are too dumb or lazy to do it…
Say you are too stupid to understand the viewpoint and be done with it 😉
I think voter registration should be tightened. That will make voting administration easier. If there is a legitimate problem with citizenship and eligibility. , better to resolve it during the registration process.
Obtaining a birth certificate is easy. I even provided a link as a public service to the Democrats here who might be overwhelmed by a couple of simple clicks.
What about (one example) a 90-year old living in a nursing home who doesn't do "clicks", no longer has a birth certificate on hand, and has no one to help her jump through the required hoops? Let's just forget about her, though she's regularly voted for 70 years. And it has nothing to do with her party allegiances.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
Obtaining a birth certificate is easy. I even provided a link as a public service to the Democrats here who might be overwhelmed by a couple of simple clicks.
Most of them will be fine, they just think that women & minorities are too dumb or lazy to do it…
This is utterly ridiculous. The problem with these requirements has already been laid out above by Mark, and artfully summarized by Brad, and it doesn't require any resort to hyperbole or inflammatory accusations.
1) This bill would require significant extra work on the part of all Americans to register to vote.
2) Although many Americans will find that extra work has already been done (because they already have a passport, keep their birth certificate handy, etc.), many other Americans will find that they haven't done that work, and will therefore need to.
3) While doing this extra work, some of those Americans may hit obstacles (for example, if you learn you need to order a copy of your Ohio birth certificate, you'd better make sure you learn about it with about a month to spare, unless you're willing to drive to your county of birth to pick one up in person).
4) Undoubtedly, some of those obstacles will deter some of those Americans from bothering to go with it at all, thereby decreasing voter registration overall.
5) Because non-citizens registering to vote in the United States is largely not a real problem, we find it appalling that anyone would support this sort of trade-off: making it harder for Americans to vote in order to gain zero benefit to the country.
If there is a legitimate problem with citizenship and eligibility. , better to resolve it during the registration process.
Is voting by noncitizens a problem, though? There have been ~70 cases in over 100 years of illegal voting in the USA, and most of those were citizens casting more than one vote in different locales.
Cows are responsible for an average of 22 human deaths in the U.S. each year. Banning cows would seem to be much more justified, by prevalence anyway.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
It satisfies the current voter id requirements of the state of Colorado. It WOULD NOT satisfy the requirements of the SAVE act.
That's the entire point. Many states have great voter id requirements that everyone would be fine with, if the other states would adopt.
How do you feel about banning most mail-in ballots? A fan?
”The bill requires individuals to provide documentary proof of U.S. citizenship when registering to vote in federal elections”
The real ID issued by most states, including Colorado, does not prove citizenship.
”The bill prohibits states from accepting and processing an application to register to vote in a federal election unless the applicant provides documentary proof of U.S. citizenship. The bill specifies what documents are considered acceptable proof of U.S. citizenship, such as identification that complies with the Real ID Act of 2005 that indicates U.S. citizenship”
I have no idea about a Colorado ID.
Yeah that's a confusing way to word things, but "identification that complies with the Real ID Act of 2005 that indicates U.S. citizenship" doesn't actually refer to most Real IDs. Most of them don't indicate citizenship, because that's actually not required. The Real ID Act only requires indication of legal residency, not citizenship. Ones that specifically indicate citizenship are called "enhanced" and only five states issue them: Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Vermont, and Washington.
@bradstevens Yeah I know. I think that's what tripped up CO.H too. You proved your citizenship to get your Real ID. But the ID itself doesn't prove citizenship. That's because it was originally intended to prove legal residency, and your documentation that showed you were a citizen was used to prove your legal residency. But someone without your documents, simply looking at your ID, can't tell if you provided proof of citizenship or proof of some other form of legal residency. So you will still need to get that proof together again when you register to vote.
