@hurryinghoosiers of course. Get rid of it. It’s an unnecessary level or bureaucracy. Leave it local
Years ago when Republicans lost elections they blamed the media for brainwashing the electorate.
Now that social media dominates, they blame education for dumbing down the electorate.
@co-hoosier support AOC in what way? There are a few policies I like, but I cannot see a scenario I would vote for her.
Education is broken before kids get to school. I have said before, go to a school on open house night and visit honors classes and regular classes. Honors are filled, regular have a handful and most are from the honors class.
Taking a child whose parents tell them education is worthless and getting them to want to be educated is difficult, very difficult. There are dedicated teachers who do great. Most don't want to be in an inner city school any more than you wanted to be an inner city public defender.
Tie pay to improvement. A Carmel teacher inheriting kids at the 99th percentile in the prior grade is going to struggle to get them to improve much. A great teacher at a much less good school just might see a huge bonus. Take a class from 20% to 70%? Not sure there shouldn't be a Nobel for teaching in that sort of circumstance.
Our problem is we pack the poorest, least educated together. Then act shocked that putting them together in crowded communities has problems. Duh. I don't know a great solution. Look at Denmark's "ghetto law." Not sure if I can go that far, but it is something we should look at. The problem with it is, if we break up a ghetto, where do the people go? It isn't like even one family moving into a non-ghetto would be welcome.
And I know the old refrain that our problems are "diversity". Schools in White Christian Appalachia are also not model schools threatening Norway and Denmark at the top of the list. Nor are teachers in Carmel thinking, "man, love to get a chance to move to a struggling school in Appalachia."
I don't think bussing was a great idea, but it was a solution that looked at the problem first.
@co-hoosier support AOC in what way? There are a few policies I like, but I cannot see a scenario I would vote for her.
Education is broken before kids get to school. I have said before, go to a school on open house night and visit honors classes and regular classes. Honors are filled, regular have a handful and most are from the honors class.
Taking a child whose parents tell them education is worthless and getting them to want to be educated is difficult, very difficult. There are dedicated teachers who do great. Most don't want to be in an inner city school any more than you wanted to be an inner city public defender.
Tie pay to improvement. A Carmel teacher inheriting kids at the 99th percentile in the prior grade is going to struggle to get them to improve much. A great teacher at a much less good school just might see a huge bonus. Take a class from 20% to 70%? Not sure there shouldn't be a Nobel for teaching in that sort of circumstance.
Our problem is we pack the poorest, least educated together. Then act shocked that putting them together in crowded communities has problems. Duh. I don't know a great solution. Look at Denmark's "ghetto law." Not sure if I can go that far, but it is something we should look at. The problem with it is, if we break up a ghetto, where do the people go? It isn't like even one family moving into a non-ghetto would be welcome.
And I know the old refrain that our problems are "diversity". Schools in White Christian Appalachia are also not model schools threatening Norway and Denmark at the top of the list. Nor are teachers in Carmel thinking, "man, love to get a chance to move to a struggling school in Appalachia."
I don't think bussing was a great idea, but it was a solution that looked at the problem first.
the problem? Royko said it best......
Irresponsibility should be focus of next program
When the worried talk is about schools, the answers are always money and new programs. The politicians talk about money, where it will come from and how it will be spread around. The educational experts talk about programs and how they will be implemented. Where would they be without programs to implement?
When the worried talk about crime, the answers are always stricter gun control laws and, of course, the implementation of new drug programs.
When the worried talk about troubled families, the answers are new federal social service programs. Even now the White House is talking about new multibillion-dollar “family preservation” programs that will send out hordes of social workers to bring broken families together. Assuming, of course, that these programs are properly implemented.
And now that we have a Democratic president and a Democratic Congress, there will be a blizzard of new programs. If there is anything Democrats believe in, it is that for every problem, there should be a federal program. But there is something missing in the talk about the problems and the programs intended to solve these problems.
It is what I call the “Who, me?” factor. As in, “It is your responsibility,” followed by, “Who, me?”
Start with the schools. The problem isn’t money. We spend vast sums on schools. Nor is it a lack of programs. We have more educational programs than can be implemented in the next 100 years.
Where there are problem schools, the biggest source of the problem is the parent. The kind of parent who when told that she or he is responsible for her or his children, says: “Who, me?”
Show me the worst school districts in Chicago, Detroit, New York, Los Angeles, and I will show you parents who should not be raising a Chia Pet, much less a child.
These are places where the illegitimacy rates are jaw-dropping, where ignorance and illiteracy are handed down from generation to generation like family heirlooms.
What kind of program do we implement to persuade some dense teen-age girl that she should not couple with some street-swagger boyfriend? What program, if implemented, will make the young man understand that if he fathers children, it is his responsibility to live with those children and try to support them?
“Who, me?” They will answer with amazement. Isn’t that what school is for? Or the social workers? Isn’t there some program that does it?
The same applies to crime. Strict laws will only make a tiny dent in that problem. Thickheaded as the gun lobby can be, they are right about one thing: the gangbangers, grocer-killers and drug dealers aren’t deterred by registration or cooling- off laws. They don’t shop at sporting marts with the skeet-shooting crowd. Their gun suppliers deal out of car trunks or abandoned buildings.
And we can trace the rise in violent crime to the same source of the school ailments. The parts of the cities that produce the illegitimates and illiterates are giving us the greatest number of trigger-happy young felons. You don’t have to know how to parse a sentence, much less read one, to point a gun at a convenience store clerk or deliver a load of crack.
So now we are going to get the Family Preservation Act and more programs for social workers to implement. If it does some good, which I doubt, fine.
But what we need as much as a Family Preservation Act is a Family Prevention Act. There is not much point in trying to preserve families that weren’t families in the first place. If you go to a family court in a big city, what you see is some stupefied young woman, her physically or mentally abused kids and a slack-jawed boyfriend sitting in a back row. Since when has that been a family? And what is there to preserve? If the kids survive the abuse and neglect, they’ll be the next generation of social misfits and menaces.
And when they are told they are responsible for their own actions and for those of their children, they will look blank and say, “Who, me?”
If President Clinton intends to create public works jobs, the I suggest he do it this way: Round up the young fathers who breed and walk away. Give them a choice: Work and use your paycheck to support your family or go to jail.
If he wants to reform welfare, the apply the same standards as we do in our hunting and fishing laws. There is a limit. And what would be wrong with telling a woman: “Two is your limit and you have reached it. Any more that that and you support them yourselves.”
Is that hard-hearted and insensitive? Maybe. But for several decades, we have been good-hearted, bleeding-hearted and ultra-sensitive. And what has it given us? The highest rates of illegitimacy, illiteracy, homicide and chronic dependency of any developed country
And at the rate we’re going, it’s only going to get worse, not better.
So the social engineers and program implementers should start taking a new approach. Which used to be the old approach.
When someone says: “Who, me?” the answer should be, “Yes, you and don’t do it again.”
@drjb no offense but where did you get this. Why can’t Dems learn this? Absolutely spot on post
Ive posted several times about the Mississippi Miracle. That has spread to other southern states, northern and midwestern states where teacher unions are the strongest remain very skeptical . Demographics don’t seem to matter very much with the Mississippi approach.
BTW, Space X just announced construction of a huge spaceport in Louisiana. The southern states are developing at a pace places like California and New York can only dream about. I think education is part of the reason.
@drjb no offense but where did you get this. Why can’t Dems learn this? Absolutely spot on post
Mike Royko (RIP) used to write a daily column for the Chicago Tribune
@scam-likely 🙌 👏 yes!!! Your take on matters just removes all doubt you’re that crazy woke 1.0. But with just emojis you can distance yourself. Well played
@drjb nailed it.
When drjb stated..
Show me the worst school districts in Chicago, Detroit, New York, Los Angeles, and I will show you parents who should not be raising a Chia Pet, much less a child.
What did drjb nail down, the fact these were Black parents, or was he calling attention to areas under the control of Democrats, or both?
@hoot typically if you want bad outcomes combine blacks with blue leadership. The arena is of no moment. Schools. Crime. Etc. The post tho from top to bottom is spot on. It’s not a programs problem. It’s not a money problem. At some point it’s a people and poor leadership and culture problem. Dems won’t address because they are today some combo of stupid corrupt inept and desirous of obtaining the votes of those they pander to
going to the urban centers and saying Lequizzy’s grades are bad because dad is mia and mom you aren’t home to review his homework. Oh you work nights to put bread on the table. Got it. Understood. Then why does lequizzy have four other siblings under seven. Oh and Letron. Your oldest was with the 14th street bloods last night. Cops think he might have been involved in a shooting. He got that gun at bass pro shop right ? It’s properly registered right. And why was he involved in a shooting? Doesn’t he know that life is valuable? Oh the gun laws are wrong. Got it.
people run to the burbs to get away from blacks and blue leadership. The latter you can hate and get by with but if there’s a bunch of blacks forget it. “Teen” takeovers aren’t good for anything
but Dems won’t fix the culture. Just piss money away on programs with shitty outcomes. Blacks can do better. Can do anything. But they are enabled. And the victimhood has to stop
Royko was a great columnist.@drjb no offense but where did you get this. Why can’t Dems learn this? Absolutely spot on post
Mike Royko (RIP) used to write a daily column for the Chicago Tribune