I could see voting for Vance or Massey but there are no other Reps that seem worthy of anything at this time. Rubio seems to be an Israel 1st warhead so he won't be getting my vote.
The Democrat Party needs exterminated from the American political scene.
I'm most likely done voting because our government is a bunch of rich elite gaslighting criminals that only care about themselves.
Obama has become a tragic person. He entered into the highest and maybe the most important office in the world with high hopes and then dropped the ball. His failure was largely due to his total failure to meet the lofty expectations he generated with his own rhetoric and charisma.
His presidency was an American tragedy.
His post presidency is worse.
@co-hoosier his post presidency has been very disappointing. but he was a smart, competent president. you didn't feel like shit was going to just go off the rails like these last two
@co-hoosier He fell short of what he could have accomplished, to be certain. I think he had one of the better blends of talent, ability, and opportunity to do some things than really any President in my lifetime. And he fell short of that potential. But in my opinion its pretty far from "tragic". He accomplished plenty, and was underappreciated on many things.
Heck, we have a sitting President, that you often defend, that initially ran on Obama's Iran Nuclear deal being "the worst deal in world history", and pretty effectively tied Hillary to that Iran deal... and now he's Truth Social pining for Iran to sign a striking similar deal, with much less friendly US terms, after spending billions of dollars on a war to get to this place... As one example of how Obama's accomplishments are more than a little bit less "tragic" than our last 2 Presidents have been.
As for his post Presidency... that is definitely a very interesting topic. America has needed him to be more involved. But I have to imagine after seeing Trumps political popularity skyrocket after his birther campaign really started to take root (amongst other contributing factors)... Obama and his family are probably a little wary of staying at the fore front. But however it happened, Obama was part of creating the conditions that led to Trump/Biden/Trump... its been overall disappointing he hasn't stuck around to help clean it up more than he has. Wading in very rarely with pot shots, and largely staying above the fray... means he really isn't contributing much at all.
@iunorth Trump is not going to sign a deal that is in any way similar to the JCPOA.
You guys should drop that bullshit talking point.
Also, the idea that his public stature has regressed due to racism is farcical.
You’re a joke.
you didn't feel like shit was going to just go off the rails like these last two
True. The train never left the station. All he did was blow the whistle.
I don’t think he made any major problem better than when he found it. Some were decidedly worse.
@carramrod Maybe he will, maybe he won't. But he sure is Truth Socialing about Iran signing one. And I assure you, I'm not one of the "you guys" you think I am. YOU are a huge part of this overall problem.
@carramrod Maybe he will, maybe he won't. But he sure is Truth Socialing about Iran signing one. And I assure you, I'm not one of the "you guys" you think I am. YOU are a huge part of this overall problem.
Are we to believe all deals signed are in effect the same even if the terms and circumstances surrounding those deals are radically different?
You just claimed Trump is pressuring Iran to sign a deal similar to the JCPOA. That’s a lie, you’re a fucking liar.
@co-hoosier You don't think he navigated us out the financial collapse he inherited fairly well? Also, ironically, we were also in a lot better position when he left, than when he started, in the oil arm wrestling match. With domestic production way up, and relatively decent relations with the middle east on going. Many, many misteps, fall shorts, all out mistakes... Obamacare, and its rollout, was a disaster, as an example. And immigration and border security was trending down, for sure, when he left office. But to say he didn't leave "anything" better than he found it?... well it isn't remotely accurate.
@carramrod Ha ha... you're making my initial main point. You're privy to the details of the deal he's spouting about that they should be signing? And who is "they" by the way. It sure seems like he's proposing give them money to shut down their nuclear weapons program. The money he is proposing is larger, so its not exactly the same, you're right. And he is asking them to relinquish all the materials they could use to make nuclear weapons. A decent chunk of those materials likely wouldn't exist if he hadn't backed out of the original deal, but those are pesky details not worth considering. Trumps the deale maker! This is different damn it! Its really sad, actually...
I think Vance run and win. I’d vote for him. Any decent Dem choice will be hamstrung from the get-go by their litmus testing.@iunorth gop will get curb stomped at the midterms. vance/rubio can begin their tour of distancing themselves from trump without fear of consequence. both are smart guys. unlike harris/aoc. it will be interesting to hear what THEY believe and how they begin to get that messaging out.
Vance is sane and voters will perceive that
The most important issue to reverse the dumbing down of America is psychotropics as Rogan calls them (below ~3:06:00). Vance is aware enough to listen.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fRyyTAs1XY8&pp=ygUYamQgdmFuY2Ugb24gc3NyaXMgb24ganJl&ra=m
@carramrod Ha ha... you're making my initial main point. You're privy to the details of the deal he's spouting about that they should be signing? And who is "they" by the way. It sure seems like he's proposing give them money to shut down their nuclear weapons program. The money he is proposing is larger, so its not exactly the same, you're right. And he is asking them to relinquish all the materials they could use to make nuclear weapons. A decent chunk of those materials likely wouldn't exist if he hadn't backed out of the original deal, but those are pesky details not worth considering. Trumps the deale maker! This is different damn it! Its really sad, actually...
No fuckface. He’s demanding zero enrichment, zero funding of proxies, zero ballistic missile development.
This is a difference in kind from the JCPOA, only a retard that doesn’t know what they’re talking about would conflate the two.
@carramrod I'm sure someone over there will sign something soon. You and he will get to puff your chests over it for a bit. Huge amounts of money in the speculative oil markets will somehow be shorted right before he Truth Socials about it. It'll be beautiful! While the rest of the world raises their eyebrows and scoffs. And the actual people running things in Iran will disregard it. And he'll be Truth Socialing about blowing them up if they don't agree to some other new beautiful deal. IT IS SAD!
And again... the basic framework is we'll give them money to shut down their nuclear program. Something similar was in place through 2018. Instead of taking the basic agreement and trying to add some more teeth to it, like a normal human being would have. He rips the whole thing up, and leaves a gaping void, and no guard rails. And now he's going to likely fork over 5-6 times more money, to people that have no business making agreements or getting money, because they aren't actually in power.
he general... I think those two would struggle to wash the Trump stink off enough to where it likely won't hurt their chances greatly. But the "good" thing for them, is the DNC has shown themselves to be stupid enough to prop up candidates fully capable of giving right back any of those advantages with their own issues.
The DNC messing things up always has to be factored in, but I do think there are good Democrats that could win in '28. We have to get past the midterms to see how that really plays out.