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@arthur-dent Marv again I think you’re wrong. But I don’t know that for sure. Maybe the difference is antique road show vs American pickers and pawn stars. Maybe the former is something you’d only get on public and while it has an audience the history channel isn’t carrying that vanilla shit. So who knows. You might be convincing me


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So who knows. You might be convincing me

Don't let that happen, I am not sure myself. Things have changed. Netflix and Amazon wouldn't run a show just because it is good. But others might. Apple seems the type, maybe 


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That particular sport has caused more damage to this nation‘s ability to effectively discuss social problems,

No, it hasn't. You guys acting like Nazis has done way more damage.

 

Are you saying I act like a Nazi? Are you calling me a Nazi?

 

not others. Me.

 

straight up answer - yes or no.

 

 

 


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That particular sport has caused more damage to this nation‘s ability to effectively discuss social problems,

No, it hasn't. You guys acting like Nazis has done way more damage.

Are you saying I act like a Nazi? Are you calling me a Nazi?

not others. Me.

straight up answer - yes or no.

 

 


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@myteamisonthefloor ignore it. Goat is in denial about the left.  Lost reality


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To prove this is a benefit, don’t you have to cite TV shows that aren’t popular that they made but were also “good?”  All the shows you mention did well, didn’t they?  

At the end of the day, you’re asking the public taxpayer to subsidize someone’s notion of what is good or worthy entertainment. In some instances, I think that’s O.K. But even with Burn’s historical stuff, don’t we also run the risk of government propaganda?    

Burns is an interesting example for another reason, too. He is nearly universally praised, but truth be told, I find his series very boring. Maybe I’ll give this new one a try and my tastes have changed.  

Seriously, you watch these million hour podcasts and found the Civil War and Vietnam boring (maybe you don't like some of the other subjects, why I focused on major history)

I mostly listen to them. Like I said, maybe my tastes have changed. I've only watched bits and pieces of his stuff since the Civil War.  

 


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Posted : 10/31/2025 10:15 am
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Damn, I had no idea Burns was so prolific:

https://kenburns.com/the-films/


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Posted : 10/31/2025 10:19 am
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But only PBS would have taken a chance on Brooklyn Bridge.

There is a debate to be had today if anyone would pick up a new Ken Burns. At the time Burns began with Brooklyn Bridge, no way. I don't believe anyone would have even picked up Civil War. Think of the meeting with ABC/CBS/NBC, "I am going to show still photography with a voiceover and Ashoken Farewell". They would be calling security before he finished.

BBC is public, and they have had a heck of a track record. Python, Fawlty Towers, the original versions of All in the Family, Sanford and Son, The Office. Throw in things like Top Gear, The Apprentice, celebrities dancing and of course Dr Who. 

There are a lot more. BBC has been very successful. One advantage is they only have to ask, "is this good", not "will this make money?" Those things can be mutually exclusive.

Today, a modern Burns might get picked up by History Channel if the creator is willing to detail the role UFOs played in the war. 

I am trying to think of a show today picked up by a streaming service that seems anywhere close to the probability of failure as the Civil War was, let alone Brooklyn Bridge.

Was Game of Thrones guaranteed to be a hit? It's first season cost $6 million per episode.  Burns's most expensive venture was Vietnam, it appears, for $30 million for 18 hours.  

Werner Herzog makes a lot of documentaries about obscure subjects.  I don't understand why Burns could not without public financing.  

 


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@bradstevens find burns very boring bwahahaha.  I give your book club until Xmas. 

methinks someone has been watching bravo 🤫🤫🤐

Dude, we're at about 1.5 years!  We're going the distance.  

Just finished In Cold Blood. Up next: Remains of the Day.  

 


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That particular sport has caused more damage to this nation‘s ability to effectively discuss social problems,

No, it hasn't. You guys acting like Nazis has done way more damage.

 

Are you saying I act like a Nazi? Are you calling me a Nazi?

 

not others. Me.

 

straight up answer - yes or no.

 

 

 

Your post was absurd, so I gave it an absurd response. Nothing more to it than that.

 


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Posted : 10/31/2025 10:57 am
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@bradstevens Truman. Haven’t read it in 30 years. How was it?


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Posted : 10/31/2025 11:28 am
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@bradstevens Game had a successful book series, that is some indication. Do you oppose all public funding of arts or just this specific art?


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Posted : 10/31/2025 12:31 pm
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@mcm666 Truman biography by David McCollough is outstanding.

I know you were talking about Truman Capote but reminded me of the Harry S Truman biography. 😉


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@bradstevens find burns very boring bwahahaha.  I give your book club until Xmas. 

methinks someone has been watching bravo 🤫🤫🤐

Dude, we're at about 1.5 years!  We're going the distance.  

Just finished In Cold Blood. Up next: Remains of the Day.  

 

In Cold Blood was excellent. Read it probably 25 years ago. Getting old . . .

 


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@aloha-hoosier gotcha.  i haven't read much of that kind of historical.  i was referrign to truman capote with brad.  i read in cold blood during my gore vidal norman mailer phase


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