@unclemark fck made me think of something. My grandmother’s favorite book was a tree grows in Brooklyn. I had her first printing. Where did I lose that box
@joe_hoopsier you see this joe. i have no idea where it is. that's the little things with all these separations that pile on. you know that
But only PBS would have taken a chance on Brooklyn Bridge.
There is a debate to be had today if anyone would pick up a new Ken Burns. At the time Burns began with Brooklyn Bridge, no way. I don't believe anyone would have even picked up Civil War. Think of the meeting with ABC/CBS/NBC, "I am going to show still photography with a voiceover and Ashoken Farewell". They would be calling security before he finished.
BBC is public, and they have had a heck of a track record. Python, Fawlty Towers, the original versions of All in the Family, Sanford and Son, The Office. Throw in things like Top Gear, The Apprentice, celebrities dancing and of course Dr Who.
There are a lot more. BBC has been very successful. One advantage is they only have to ask, "is this good", not "will this make money?" Those things can be mutually exclusive.
Today, a modern Burns might get picked up by History Channel if the creator is willing to detail the role UFOs played in the war.
I am trying to think of a show today picked up by a streaming service that seems anywhere close to the probability of failure as the Civil War was, let alone Brooklyn Bridge.
But only PBS would have taken a chance on Brooklyn Bridge.
There is a debate to be had today if anyone would pick up a new Ken Burns. At the time Burns began with Brooklyn Bridge, no way. I don't believe anyone would have even picked up Civil War. Think of the meeting with ABC/CBS/NBC, "I am going to show still photography with a voiceover and Ashoken Farewell". They would be calling security before he finished.
BBC is public, and they have had a heck of a track record. Python, Fawlty Towers, the original versions of All in the Family, Sanford and Son, The Office. Throw in things like Top Gear, The Apprentice, celebrities dancing and of course Dr Who.
There are a lot more. BBC has been very successful. One advantage is they only have to ask, "is this good", not "will this make money?" Those things can be mutually exclusive.
Today, a modern Burns might get picked up by History Channel if the creator is willing to detail the role UFOs played in the war.
I am trying to think of a show today picked up by a streaming service that seems anywhere close to the probability of failure as the Civil War was, let alone Brooklyn Bridge.
Thank you for so eloquently expressing the point I was getting at. My thoughts are easily dismissed, but people tend to take notice when you weigh in.
@unclemark i think @arthur-dent is as wrong as you on that front. prime. netflix. go down the rabbit holes and there's all sorts of stuff that is "raw" and not glammed up etc.
tons of independent stuff. do a deep dive and i think you guys will be surprised
@mcm666 I said there could be a debate today. Who knows if anyone would front the money for Brooklyn Bridge today. What I wonder about Burns is this, he worked at BBC then PBS. There is no chance that anyone else in the early days would hire him. Maybe if he can't work for PBS he retires. If I recall last year Cignetti more or less screw all those universities that wouldn't consider him.
Somebody probably picks up a modern Burns. But I am still not sure they greenlight Brooklyn Bridge without making some demands Burns didn't have
But seriously, look at all the shows BBC has ran. They have had some kind of success. Public TV certainly works. Our for profit didn't create Top Gear, Dr Who, All in the Family, or even Trump's Apprentice. And there are a lot more.
I thought you meant they have objections to the documentary for some reason.
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Trump and Braun want to kill public broadcasting.
Well, much like the Trump administration having problems with the Smithsonian exhibits, if Ken Burns even suggests that any founding father was less than a 100% perfect angel, you can be sure that there will be loud MAGA whining.
well, I’m no Maga, but I always object to historical inaccuracies, especially (for example) people who call modern day Republicans “Nazis“. That particular sport has caused more damage to this nation‘s ability to effectively discuss social problems, social policies, and effective government, than anything since the idiots who were slave owners, caused succession, took their justified ass-whipping, and whipped up Jim Crow just to make themselves feel like they still had some kind of dick in their britches
And yet Trump has used quite a bit of the Hitler playbook. like getting his sheep to distrust media. Hitler 101
Maybe if maga stopped acting like Nazis, people would stop calling them Nazis. Of course, being caught on camera with Nazi symbols doesn't help you pretend it is just a baseless accusation.
@hurryinghoosiers the media did it to itself. You’re just a blinkard and a target for propaganda. You have no ability to discern
@arthur-dent but I don’t think the public platform had anything to do with it. All of those shows could have been created on a service. Clarkson’s farm was created on prime
@mcm666 but they weren't created on for profit.
I think that for profit can get stuck with questions on how they can monetize things. And great shows get cancelled because no one figures it out (Firefly being great example). MASH should have been cancelled but the wife of the head of CBS convinced him to give it another season.
I am not saying public is better, but with 1000 services trying to monetize everything, it doesn't hurt to have one taking other shows.
That particular sport has caused more damage to this nation‘s ability to effectively discuss social problems,
No, it hasn't. You guys acting like Nazis has done way more damage.
@arthur-dent I think you’re wrong and I do think those services take shows like that. That if public went away they’d find homes. But I could obviously be wrong. I don’t know anything about that stuff other than scrolling prime
BBC is public, and they have had a heck of a track record. Python, Fawlty Towers, the original versions of All in the Family, Sanford and Son, The Office. Throw in things like Top Gear, The Apprentice, celebrities dancing and of course Dr Who.
There are a lot more. BBC has been very successful. One advantage is they only have to ask, “is this good”, not “will this make money?” Those things can be mutually exclusive.
To prove this is a benefit, don't you have to cite TV shows that aren't popular that they made but were also "good?" All the shows you mention did well, didn't they?
At the end of the day, you're asking the public taxpayer to subsidize someone's notion of what is good or worthy entertainment. In some instances, I think that's O.K. But even with Burn's historical stuff, don't we also run the risk of government propaganda?
Burns is an interesting example for another reason, too. He is nearly universally praised, but truth be told, I find his series very boring. Maybe I'll give this new one a try and my tastes have changed.
I thought you meant they have objections to the documentary for some reason.
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Trump and Braun want to kill public broadcasting.
Well, much like the Trump administration having problems with the Smithsonian exhibits, if Ken Burns even suggests that any founding father was less than a 100% perfect angel, you can be sure that there will be loud MAGA whining.
well, I’m no Maga, but I always object to historical inaccuracies, especially (for example) people who call modern day Republicans “Nazis“. That particular sport has caused more damage to this nation‘s ability to effectively discuss social problems, social policies, and effective government, than anything since the idiots who were slave owners, caused succession, took their justified ass-whipping, and whipped up Jim Crow just to make themselves feel like they still had some kind of dick in their britches
And yet Trump has used quite a bit of the Hitler playbook. like getting his sheep to distrust media. Hitler 101
Maybe if maga stopped acting like Nazis, people would stop calling them Nazis. Of course, being caught on camera with Nazi symbols doesn't help you pretend it is just a baseless accusation.
To prove this is a benefit, don’t you have to cite TV shows that aren’t popular that they made but were also “good?” All the shows you mention did well, didn’t they?
At the end of the day, you’re asking the public taxpayer to subsidize someone’s notion of what is good or worthy entertainment. In some instances, I think that’s O.K. But even with Burn’s historical stuff, don’t we also run the risk of government propaganda?
Burns is an interesting example for another reason, too. He is nearly universally praised, but truth be told, I find his series very boring. Maybe I’ll give this new one a try and my tastes have changed.
Few things are universally "good", especially given the weight of that 25-54 demographic for broadcast tv. The rest of us don't matter much.
I think there is freedom to knowing that we can show this good show and because it is good we think it will find an audience. Top Gear started out with a lot of high end car reviews and moved into a buddy show. They could trust Clarkson to find his footing. Profit tv wants programs that find their footing immediately and have a quick hook (see Firefly).
We have always had a wall between politicians and PBS. Now that all walls are being destroyed, maybe it would be a concern going forward that PBS will just be a tool.
Seriously, you watch these million hour podcasts and found the Civil War and Vietnam boring (maybe you don't like some of the other subjects, why I focused on major history)
@bradstevens find burns very boring bwahahaha. I give your book club until Xmas.
methinks someone has been watching bravo 🤫🤫🤐