Everything that could have been obliterated in Midnight Hammer was obliterated in Midnight Hammer.
Every president in the 21st century and the last one in the 20th century, said the Muslims in Iran must not have nukes. Were those presidents just blowing smoke? Or were they serious? Even after Midnight Hammer, the Mullahs were not going to give up their nukes. Negotiations were going nowhere because of them, not US.
And your point is... ?
The regime has been killing Americans for fifty years. They declared war on America in ‘79. We should all want these freaks eliminated
I can guess, but my guess is no better than anyone else's. I was just answering the question posed with what I think is the pretty obvious answer that CarRamRod outlined.Because they had intel to kill Khameni, right?There has to date not been a credible, "here is why we had to do this now" explanation. I am not sure I see why anyone should follow us into this any more than they should have Vietnam. Are we all in agreement Vietnam was a crappy, stupid decision?
Sure there was. Rubio spelled it out on day two. Israel was going to take out the leadership with a "decapitating" strike, and the US had to preemptively attack Iran's responding resources lest they get a chance to hit us first with their full capacity. Any other reason that's been proffered is window dressing. Netanyahu forced Trump's hand.
If you are going to take this tact, and I still think you’re completely wrong and Rubio clarified himself the next sentence. Israel’s intel on Khamenei’s location and declaration that they were going to act, determined the day the war started. Not whether there was a war at all.
The question I addressed (see the bolded above) was "why now," not "why a war at all?"
What does that achieve, strategically? It's well known the Iranian system isn't built upon some singular power structure. And a decapitation was never going to topple the govt.
Macron v. 2.0. Is his childhood male tutor now miraculously female?Is the new Supreme Leader (if not yet dead) gay? Well, Iran says there are no gay people in Iran, but have killed those that were gay. It's contradictory, of course. Will the new Supreme Leader be hanged when he gets back from Russia after recovery (if not yet dead)? The world wants to know.
Exclusive | Trump briefed that Iran’s new supreme leader Mojtaba Khamenei is probably gay
Evidently he survived the initial bombing because he was off in a closet with a “body guard” who died “protecting” him. The medical term for his amputation is “sphincter death rattle.”
Truth.Trump fired his shot.... And lost. He got big balls after Venezuela
And now he's into another quagmire. This isn't ending soon
@bradstevens is correct—the potential and actual success of the decapitation was irresistible to Netanyahu.
Still, suppose a similar strike took out our POTUS, his cabinet, and 30 GOP congressional leaders, would we collapse as a nation or would our system of government simply continue on? Obviously the latter.
Every president in the 21st century and the last one in the 20th century, said the Muslims in Iran must not have nukes. Were those presidents just blowing smoke? Or were they serious? Even after Midnight Hammer, the Mullahs were not going to give up their nukes. Negotiations were going nowhere because of them, not US.
And every other president didn't resort to starting a war over it.
Obama had a treaty with Iran that allow oversight and was supported by our allies. Little orange ignorant ass blew it up simply because he had to dismantle anything Obama had done. And because little orange ignorant ass has no art of the deal, he couldn't come up with a better solution than trying to bomb Iran.
Every president in the 21st century and the last one in the 20th century, said the Muslims in Iran must not have nukes. Were those presidents just blowing smoke? Or were they serious? Even after Midnight Hammer, the Mullahs were not going to give up their nukes. Negotiations were going nowhere because of them, not US.
And your point is... ?
The regime has been killing Americans for fifty years. They declared war on America in ‘79. We should all want these freaks eliminated
And at what cost?
MAGA freaks are more of a threat to this country. Don't see anyone suggesting that we should start a war with them.
Why now? is the question repeatedly asked. The short answer is, Why not before?Every president in the 21st century and the last one in the 20th century, said the Muslims in Iran must not have nukes. Were those presidents just blowing smoke? Or were they serious? Even after Midnight Hammer, the Mullahs were not going to give up their nukes. Negotiations were going nowhere because of them, not US.
And your point is... ?
The regime has been killing Americans for fifty years. They declared war on America in ‘79. We should all want these freaks eliminated
Trump most clearly answered why now when he said Iran declared war on us 50 years ago, but no president before him had ended it. He will.
Has Iran funded and fomented terrorism around the world? Undoubtedly.
Has Israel conducted false flag operations attributed to Iran? Possibly if not probably.
Is Iran geologically a nation fortress virtually impenetrable by land troops (except for the border with Iraq)? Yes.
Has Iran used its oil wealth to create the underground/under mountain capacity to build nukes. Undoubtedly.
The summation of these factors equates to what Trump decided to do. The alternative was to allow Iran to eventually build nukes in bunker-bust-proof undermountain facilities.
Morale of the story: Don’t say Death to America and kill Americans unless you’re prepared to deal with the consequences.
Maybe the question we should be asking is, what is the price of freedom?
Every president in the 21st century and the last one in the 20th century, said the Muslims in Iran must not have nukes. Were those presidents just blowing smoke? Or were they serious? Even after Midnight Hammer, the Mullahs were not going to give up their nukes. Negotiations were going nowhere because of them, not US.
And every other president didn't resort to starting a war over it.
Obama had a treaty with Iran that allow oversight and was supported by our allies. Little orange ignorant ass blew it up simply because he had to dismantle anything Obama had done. And because little orange ignorant ass has no art of the deal, he couldn't come up with a better solution than trying to bomb Iran.
But one of them wished he had done it.
https://twitter.com/i/status/2033648123793576318
This bombing campaign + Abraham Accords makes Israel the regional hegemon that Obama wanted for Iran. I like Trumps plan better.
. And a decapitation was never going to topple the govt.
Why not? The “government” is (was?) a theocracy.
Because there are tens of thousands of clerics in Iran that could take the place at the top. Would killing the Pope take down the Vatican?
Iran has a system built specifically to rely not upon the individual. It's multi layered with the institutional support coming from the clerics (which aren't even based on Tehran). Their public support has shrunk, but it's still significant. It's in no way, shape or form, some type of singular dictatorship, so the idea of decapitation was always ludicrous.
@dbmhoosier he made it up. How many hundreds of times does he have to lie to you before you quit believing anything that comes out of his mouth?