I don't think as many people have been saved as have been victims of gun violence. I think guns now pose a much different threat than what they did in the late 18th century. I think the fact that kids are being shot in schools is a threat difference in kind not degree and the horror of it colors my decision.@bradstevens What about the defensive use of guns? A lot of people have been saved because they were armed.
This is all theoretical, though, because we are never repealing the 2nd Amendment, and even if we did make all guns illegal tomorrow, we still have more guns than people in this country. It would take quite a while to whittle that down through law enforcement or deterioration of the guns.
Remember when the killer Bees were coming to the US. Whatever happened with all that.
Well, Killer Bibi's next stop is to meet Trump so they can plan where the Trump resort will be placed after he gets approved to buy 6 Billion in weapons.
But First he had the threaten the world in the UN.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/netanyahu-set-contentious-speech-united-091126216.html
The Israelis might as well finish them off, permanently at this point. Which has always been my stance. Ethnically cleanse them out of Gaza and the West Bank and get it over with. Eventually most of the world would forget. Frankly better to be a pariah for awhile then to have that festering wound blowing up every 10 years.
Modern warfare is dumb. We prefer perma-conflicts that never resolve as long as they are "low intensity". Much better to have a quick, high intensity war that resolves the issue. The Palestinians are never getting a country. N-e-v-e-r never. We should have allowed Israel to wipe them out of the country decades ago and they could have moved on with better lives. Instead we get to build and blow them up every decade. It is stupid.
I appreciate that you are at least open and honest about it.
I think it is more cruel in the short run while more humanitarian in the long. Those people would all be living better lives now if the situation was resolved 30 or 40 years ago and they were living in a neighboring country (namely Egypt and Jordan) instead.
It was like the Germans getting run out of Eastern Europe after WW2. It sucked for those people in the moment but better that then 60 to 70 years of not getting along with the dominant group in your area with an axe to grind.
Remember when the killer Bees were coming to the US. Whatever happened with all that.
Well, Killer Bibi's next stop is to meet Trump so they can plan where the Trump resort will be placed after he gets approved to buy 6 Billion in weapons.
But First he had the threaten the world in the UN.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/netanyahu-set-contentious-speech-united-091126216.html
The Israelis might as well finish them off, permanently at this point. Which has always been my stance. Ethnically cleanse them out of Gaza and the West Bank and get it over with. Eventually most of the world would forget. Frankly better to be a pariah for awhile then to have that festering wound blowing up every 10 years.
Modern warfare is dumb. We prefer perma-conflicts that never resolve as long as they are "low intensity". Much better to have a quick, high intensity war that resolves the issue. The Palestinians are never getting a country. N-e-v-e-r never. We should have allowed Israel to wipe them out of the country decades ago and they could have moved on with better lives. Instead we get to build and blow them up every decade. It is stupid.
I appreciate that you are at least open and honest about it.
I think it is more cruel in the short run while more humanitarian in the long. Those people would all be living better lives now if the situation was resolved 30 or 40 years ago and they were living in a neighboring country (namely Egypt and Jordan) instead.
It was like the Germans getting run out of Eastern Europe after WW2. It sucked for those people in the moment but better that then 60 to 70 years of not getting along with the dominant group in your area with an axe to grind.
And I think ethnic cleansing is intrinsically immoral, but I understand your point of view. As I said, kudos for being open. My only eye-rolls are directed at the people who won't own up to what it is that they are supporting.
Why?I think ethnic cleansing is intrinsically immoral,
Because it, by definition, requires the theft of land from rightful owners, and even worse, does so based on ethnic identity, which is an immutable characteristic, and shouldn't be used as the basis for discrimination.
Why?I think ethnic cleansing is intrinsically immoral,
Because it, by definition, requires the theft of land from rightful owners, and even worse, does so based on ethnic identity, which is an immutable characteristic, and shouldn't be used as the basis for discrimination.
What is the criteria for “rightful owners”?
Why?I think ethnic cleansing is intrinsically immoral,
Because it, by definition, requires the theft of land from rightful owners, and even worse, does so based on ethnic identity, which is an immutable characteristic, and shouldn't be used as the basis for discrimination.
What is the criteria for “rightful owners”?
Legal title, I guess, would suffice in most cases.
Why?I think ethnic cleansing is intrinsically immoral,
Because it, by definition, requires the theft of land from rightful owners, and even worse, does so based on ethnic identity, which is an immutable characteristic, and shouldn't be used as the basis for discrimination.
What is the criteria for “rightful owners”?
Legal title, I guess, would suffice in most cases.
In Gaza, I imagine that is the local Imam taking a dump in your backyard that is then preserved to prove ownership.
Why?I think ethnic cleansing is intrinsically immoral,
Because it, by definition, requires the theft of land from rightful owners, and even worse, does so based on ethnic identity, which is an immutable characteristic, and shouldn't be used as the basis for discrimination.
What is the criteria for “rightful owners”?
Legal title, I guess, would suffice in most cases.
In Gaza, I imagine that is the local Imam taking a dump in your backyard that is then preserved to prove ownership.
Hard to fathom why people don't take you seriously.
@goat I’m still far more serious than Palestinian property rights.
@bradstevens case in point. Farva doesn't think particular rights should extend to people who belong to a particular ethnic group. I find that problematic, and these kinds of problematic discriminations are inherently part of ethnic cleansing.
I'm just exploring this issue and am uncertain about it, so some questions:Why?I think ethnic cleansing is intrinsically immoral,
Because it, by definition, requires the theft of land from rightful owners, and even worse, does so based on ethnic identity, which is an immutable characteristic, and shouldn't be used as the basis for discrimination.
Is it immoral if in the end it saves lives and is a net benefit under a utilitarian calculus?
Is eminent domain immoral?
@goat I’m still far more serious than Palestinian property rights.
@bradstevens case in point. Farva doesn't think particular rights should extend to people who belong to a particular ethnic group. I find that problematic, and these kinds of problematic discriminations are inherently part of ethnic cleansing.
Oh no. You misunderstand me. They’re human beings worthy of the right to property.
I’m simply pointing out that the idea of enforceable deeds, titles and contracts among Gazan’s living in the 10th century under a government of jihadists who will take and use what they please is farcical.
They have no concept of property rights in the way we understand them. Unless they think a Jew might be trying to take their land from them.
I think Farva thinks that Palestinian society doesn't honor property rights as much as Western socieities do. Should we apply their standard to them or ours?@goat I’m still far more serious than Palestinian property rights.
@bradstevens case in point. Farva doesn't think particular rights should extend to people who belong to a particular ethnic group. I find that problematic, and these kinds of problematic discriminations are inherently part of ethnic cleansing.
Remember when the killer Bees were coming to the US. Whatever happened with all that.
Well, Killer Bibi's next stop is to meet Trump so they can plan where the Trump resort will be placed after he gets approved to buy 6 Billion in weapons.
But First he had the threaten the world in the UN.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/netanyahu-set-contentious-speech-united-091126216.html
The Israelis might as well finish them off, permanently at this point. Which has always been my stance. Ethnically cleanse them out of Gaza and the West Bank and get it over with. Eventually most of the world would forget. Frankly better to be a pariah for awhile then to have that festering wound blowing up every 10 years.
Modern warfare is dumb. We prefer perma-conflicts that never resolve as long as they are "low intensity". Much better to have a quick, high intensity war that resolves the issue. The Palestinians are never getting a country. N-e-v-e-r never. We should have allowed Israel to wipe them out of the country decades ago and they could have moved on with better lives. Instead we get to build and blow them up every decade. It is stupid.
I don’t disagree with you stance. Cleanse them to where though?
Egypt will go to war before taking the Gazan’s in. Same for Jordan re: West Bank.
Dump them all in the Syria hot mess and have them figure it out?
The Gazans should technically go to Egypt and the West Bankers to Jordan but dumping them all in Syria would be fine too.
The world is going to get Israel to pump the brakes for a bit and Hamas has already said they will do this again, because, well, they get rewarded for it. We have given $1.5 billion (reportedly) in aid to the Palestinians in the past 3 years alone. They got a "state" out of Oct. 7. The world already hates them, I would just finish the job and keep my head down for a bit. Nobody wants these people because they are assholes. Instead we'll be back here in a few more years doing this again.
Kill 2 million people including kids and then hope everyone just forgets and moves on? I agree Gaza operates in a violent and endless cycle but genocide has a funny way of kickstarting even worse shit.
I didn't say kill them, I said remove them. (I mean, kill the Islamists who try and fight but for the majority it would be permanently relocating them somewhere else in the Arab world.)