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#48 knew!!!

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1994033744986943879?t=YOktWsLZLjTjmPXZ0_fS7w&s=19

 

Who vetted his asylum claim in April?

 

Current admin.  You’re not in a problem solving type job though, are you?  Check out Root cause analysis sometime, it’s a useful skill…

 

 

He had to be vetted by the current administration to gain asylum, no?  

 

Trumps administration is as much at fault for this one as Biden is.

 

If he wouldn’t have been here, he wouldn’t need to have been vetted.  Root Cause.  Check it out, you’ll thank me later.  Game changer solving problems, takes you from reduced frequency of a problem to elimination of a problem.  

I’ll help spell it out for you & Aloha. Is the Root Cause of these 2 National Guardsmen being dead:

a) relying on an ineffective process not capable of eliminating threats once they are already here

or

b) allowing people that may be a threat to citizens of the US to come here & be released into society as unknowns other than to be from a place that willingly harbored American murdering terrorists & is comprised mainly by members of a religion that commands them to kill all not willing to capitulate & convert

 

 

If the Trump administration can't vet properly, then they shouldn't have okayed his asylum claim.  

You going to deny that or keep blaming Biden, who hasn't been in office in over 10 months.

 

Non- answer…got it.  What were the red flags, or anything that popped up during the vetting process that was missed by the current admin?

 

Islamic.  You know it and I know it.  That's the red flag.

 


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Posted : 11/28/2025 10:19 am
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BradStevens
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Posted by: @iucrazy2

Posted by: @aloha-hoosier

Posted by: @oneeyedundertaker

Posted by: @boogie

Posted by: @oneeyedundertaker

Posted by: @boogie

Posted by: @dbmhoosier

#48 knew!!!

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1994033744986943879?t=YOktWsLZLjTjmPXZ0_fS7w&s=19

 

Who vetted his asylum claim in April?

 

Current admin.  You’re not in a problem solving type job though, are you?  Check out Root cause analysis sometime, it’s a useful skill…

 

 

He had to be vetted by the current administration to gain asylum, no?  

 

Trumps administration is as much at fault for this one as Biden is.

 

If he wouldn’t have been here, he wouldn’t need to have been vetted.  Root Cause.  Check it out, you’ll thank me later.  Game changer solving problems, takes you from reduced frequency of a problem to elimination of a problem.  

I’ll help spell it out for you & Aloha. Is the Root Cause of these 2 National Guardsmen being dead:

a) relying on an ineffective process not capable of eliminating threats once they are already here

or

b) allowing people that may be a threat to citizens of the US to come here & be released into society as unknowns other than to be from a place that willingly harbored American murdering terrorists & is comprised mainly by members of a religion that commands them to kill all not willing to capitulate & convert

 

You've been here long enough to expose yourself as:

1) a totally fake Christian with zero compassion for humans who aren't fake Christians.

2) extremely unintelligent and too unintelligent to know it.

3) a conspiracy theorist, which tracks with 2).

4) an asshole.

5) totally MAGA, which tracks with all the above.

Bringing Afghans here who helped us in the war in Afghanistan was the right thing to do. They opposed terrorism and the Taliban version of Islam and supported us, our allies, and our way of life nearly 100 percent. They were generally the most educated of Afghans. Our interpreters when we were there were both medical Doctors, and thankfully both of them are here in the states now. In a perfect world they'd be neighbors of yours and would help you with your ignorance.

Of course, all immigrants should be vetted, no matter where they come from. Of course, taking care of Afghans that supported us in Afghanistan is the right thing to do. Doing the right thing doesn't always mean that no poor consequences will ever happen. We don't yet know this guy's story. Maybe he became disillusioned with his circumstances. Maybe his neighbors were total racist douchebags like you and led him to hate Americans. Maybe he developed mental illness. Maybe he became MAGA and decided that the National Guard were members of the "Deep State" which is what you've claimed about me, a retired military veteran. We don't know (and for those whom I'm not posting too, I'm exaggerating for effect). After all, your ancestors came to this country and never envisioned that one of their descendants would be a room temperature IQ dumbass like you. The point is that immigrants and descendants will occasionally include people that commit crimes or aren't productive members of society (again you?). It's inevitable and you'd understand this if you weren't 1 thru 5 above.

The idea that the last step in the process which was completed by this administration doesn't count is absolutely moronic and exactly someone with your exposed traits would think. 

Because I'm not you with all your flaws, I most definitely do not blame the Trump administration or the previous administration for this shooting. I blame the perpetrator who I hope will be brought to justice.

In short, kiss my ass, dipshit. I'd gladly be civil to you if you were civil to me and others here. Think about it. For everyone else here - Happy Thanksgiving! For the Cowboys fans here - Go Cowboys!

Also pray for the victims of this shooting and all the victims of violence in this country and others. Let's give thanks that we live in the greatest country in the world with all its beauty and wonder, despite its flaws. God Bless America!

 

I think everyone is to blame.  That being said, hard disagree on dropping them here just because they helped out over there.  Sometimes "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" can play out on one battlefield but that dynamic changes when the situation does.  Islam doesn't belong here right now (if ever).  We have to live with what we already have, but we shouldn't be importing more of it.  I can pull video after video of "moderates" in the US providing the comfort to people like this asshole by saying things like "Islam will come into every home in the US".  The "moderates" know EXACTLY what they are doing when they sit in their mosques and nod along with that.  They know that there are a not insignificant percentage of the people sitting in their with them who clearly hear that as a call to violence.  Muhammad's call to violence.

Nope, for the enemies of our enemy that became our friends for a short while, they should have been dropped somewhere else in the middle east where they could have been around their like minded friends.  They didn't belong here for the same reason I will never own a pit bull.  Muslims are the human equivalent.  "Oh they are just so sweet, don't blame the dog, blame the owner...."  Then that sweet dog snaps like they are wont to do, bites your child's face off, and at that point you can't blame the dog.  You are the one that brought them in your house.  The smart people don't.  We need to wise up.

 

Couple of other things:  in helping US policy, they were helping their own long term interests in trying to create a stable, non theocratic state.  That’s a fact that could be interpreted as they owe us, not the other way around.  

However , on the other side, if we had to make the promise to them to bring them here as an incentive to help—because they knew the risk was large our nation building would not work—we need to honor that lest we set a bad precedent in the future when we want help like this.  And it’s very possible that’s the promise they wanted—not to be dropped into another Muslim theocratic state or third world economy. 

Of course, one would think that our military leaders might glean something from the fact that all these people wouldn’t help just for their country or because they thought the chances of success so low. I don’t think that was the message to the American people for the 18 years we were there.

 

 


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Posted : 11/28/2025 11:03 am
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CO. Hoosier
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@bradstevens 

I don’t think any amount of vetting would have caught this guy.  Wife, kids, put his life on the line for GI’s; those are  all the earmarks of a contributing member of society.

And yet,

This was not a random or impulsive.  It was an Islamic-inspired shooting. He drove thousands of miles just to murder uniformed military in the Nation’s Capital.  It was premeditated.  Deliberate. He was focused.  He wasn’t a crazy school shooter.  I can’t help but think of Major Hasan and Fort Hood when I think of this shooter.  There had to have been indicators. Millions of Muslims live here and are not killers. The answers we need are not found in politics or casting blame. The answers might come from behavioral scientists taking a hard look at these shooters and all of us having the guts to be judgmental about people.  


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Posted : 11/28/2025 12:03 pm
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UncleMark
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

This was not a random or impulsive.  It was an Islamic-inspired shooting. He drove thousands of miles just to murder uniformed military in the Nation’s Capital.  It was premeditated.  Deliberate. He was focused.  He wasn’t a crazy school shooter.

How do you know this?

 


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Posted : 11/28/2025 12:09 pm
CO. Hoosier
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@unclemark 

He yelled “Allahu Akbar” as he fired his weapons.  


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Posted : 11/28/2025 12:16 pm
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Posted by: @bradstevens

Posted by: @iucrazy2

Posted by: @aloha-hoosier

Posted by: @oneeyedundertaker

Posted by: @boogie

Posted by: @oneeyedundertaker

Posted by: @boogie

Posted by: @dbmhoosier

#48 knew!!!

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1994033744986943879?t=YOktWsLZLjTjmPXZ0_fS7w&s=19

 

Who vetted his asylum claim in April?

 

Current admin.  You’re not in a problem solving type job though, are you?  Check out Root cause analysis sometime, it’s a useful skill…

 

 

He had to be vetted by the current administration to gain asylum, no?  

 

Trumps administration is as much at fault for this one as Biden is.

 

If he wouldn’t have been here, he wouldn’t need to have been vetted.  Root Cause.  Check it out, you’ll thank me later.  Game changer solving problems, takes you from reduced frequency of a problem to elimination of a problem.  

I’ll help spell it out for you & Aloha. Is the Root Cause of these 2 National Guardsmen being dead:

a) relying on an ineffective process not capable of eliminating threats once they are already here

or

b) allowing people that may be a threat to citizens of the US to come here & be released into society as unknowns other than to be from a place that willingly harbored American murdering terrorists & is comprised mainly by members of a religion that commands them to kill all not willing to capitulate & convert

 

You've been here long enough to expose yourself as:

1) a totally fake Christian with zero compassion for humans who aren't fake Christians.

2) extremely unintelligent and too unintelligent to know it.

3) a conspiracy theorist, which tracks with 2).

4) an asshole.

5) totally MAGA, which tracks with all the above.

Bringing Afghans here who helped us in the war in Afghanistan was the right thing to do. They opposed terrorism and the Taliban version of Islam and supported us, our allies, and our way of life nearly 100 percent. They were generally the most educated of Afghans. Our interpreters when we were there were both medical Doctors, and thankfully both of them are here in the states now. In a perfect world they'd be neighbors of yours and would help you with your ignorance.

Of course, all immigrants should be vetted, no matter where they come from. Of course, taking care of Afghans that supported us in Afghanistan is the right thing to do. Doing the right thing doesn't always mean that no poor consequences will ever happen. We don't yet know this guy's story. Maybe he became disillusioned with his circumstances. Maybe his neighbors were total racist douchebags like you and led him to hate Americans. Maybe he developed mental illness. Maybe he became MAGA and decided that the National Guard were members of the "Deep State" which is what you've claimed about me, a retired military veteran. We don't know (and for those whom I'm not posting too, I'm exaggerating for effect). After all, your ancestors came to this country and never envisioned that one of their descendants would be a room temperature IQ dumbass like you. The point is that immigrants and descendants will occasionally include people that commit crimes or aren't productive members of society (again you?). It's inevitable and you'd understand this if you weren't 1 thru 5 above.

The idea that the last step in the process which was completed by this administration doesn't count is absolutely moronic and exactly someone with your exposed traits would think. 

Because I'm not you with all your flaws, I most definitely do not blame the Trump administration or the previous administration for this shooting. I blame the perpetrator who I hope will be brought to justice.

In short, kiss my ass, dipshit. I'd gladly be civil to you if you were civil to me and others here. Think about it. For everyone else here - Happy Thanksgiving! For the Cowboys fans here - Go Cowboys!

Also pray for the victims of this shooting and all the victims of violence in this country and others. Let's give thanks that we live in the greatest country in the world with all its beauty and wonder, despite its flaws. God Bless America!

 

I think everyone is to blame.  That being said, hard disagree on dropping them here just because they helped out over there.  Sometimes "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" can play out on one battlefield but that dynamic changes when the situation does.  Islam doesn't belong here right now (if ever).  We have to live with what we already have, but we shouldn't be importing more of it.  I can pull video after video of "moderates" in the US providing the comfort to people like this asshole by saying things like "Islam will come into every home in the US".  The "moderates" know EXACTLY what they are doing when they sit in their mosques and nod along with that.  They know that there are a not insignificant percentage of the people sitting in their with them who clearly hear that as a call to violence.  Muhammad's call to violence.

Nope, for the enemies of our enemy that became our friends for a short while, they should have been dropped somewhere else in the middle east where they could have been around their like minded friends.  They didn't belong here for the same reason I will never own a pit bull.  Muslims are the human equivalent.  "Oh they are just so sweet, don't blame the dog, blame the owner...."  Then that sweet dog snaps like they are wont to do, bites your child's face off, and at that point you can't blame the dog.  You are the one that brought them in your house.  The smart people don't.  We need to wise up.

 

Couple of other things:  in helping US policy, they were helping their own long term interests in trying to create a stable, non theocratic state.  That’s a fact that could be interpreted as they owe us, not the other way around.  

However , on the other side, if we had to make the promise to them to bring them here as an incentive to help—because they knew the risk was large our nation building would not work—we need to honor that lest we set a bad precedent in the future when we want help like this.  And it’s very possible that’s the promise they wanted—not to be dropped into another Muslim theocratic state or third world economy. 

Of course, one would think that our military leaders might glean something from the fact that all these people wouldn’t help just for their country or because they thought the chances of success so low. I don’t think that was the message to the American people for the 18 years we were there.

 

 

We didn't make the promise to bring them here to get them to "help" liberate their own country though.  We paid them.  And frankly THE biggest folly of my political voting life was buying into Bush and Cheney's idea that we were going to civilized these people and build a country for them.  They don't want that.  They want to worship their demon god and venerate their child r---ing prophet and live in their theocratic nightmare.  They want that more than they dislike oppression.  They want to kill infidels like their prophet and thousands of years of ancestors did before them.  We left and they are back to killing each other.  Pakistan bombed them just yesterday.  They are human pitbulls.  Yes, some of those dogs are perfectly good animals but far too many of them have a screw loose, to the point I question their owners judgement in having them in their homes.

We maybe owed some of them to help get them out but we shouldn't have taken these people out of mud huts and brought them here, we should have dropped them somewhere else in the middle east to live among like minded people.  If they want Islam, whatever, have your Islam over there.  I don't want it here.  It adds nothing of value to our country. 

And yeah I know that is prejudiced and all of that but I don't care anymore.  (And we aren't even getting into AI and where that is going to put us with millions of unskilled, non-Americans all over here.)

 


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Posted : 11/28/2025 12:19 pm
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

@unclemark 

He yelled “Allahu Akbar” as he fired his weapons.  

They always announce it.

 


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UncleMark
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@unclemark 

He yelled “Allahu Akbar” as he fired his weapons.  

First I've heard of that. Got a cite?

 


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Posted : 11/28/2025 12:24 pm
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Posted by: @dbmhoosier

Posted by: @boogie

https://twitter.com/RepDonaldsPress/status/1435681857685934089?s=20

 

This is kind of awkward....

Why?  Biden and Psaki were both complete jokes.

 

 

You don't see the irony in that one of the faces of the GOP was busy complaining that the Biden administration wanted to vet the Afghans that came over here?

 

You've lost it.

 

He hasn't lost it. He's never had it.

 


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Posted : 11/28/2025 12:26 pm
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Posted : 11/28/2025 12:41 pm
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I think everyone is to blame.  That being said, hard disagree on dropping them here just because they helped out over there.  Sometimes "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" can play out on one battlefield but that dynamic changes when the situation does.  Islam doesn't belong here right now (if ever).  We have to live with what we already have, but we shouldn't be importing more of it.  I can pull video after video of "moderates" in the US providing the comfort to people like this asshole by saying things like "Islam will come into every home in the US".  The "moderates" know EXACTLY what they are doing when they sit in their mosques and nod along with that.  They know that there are a not insignificant percentage of the people sitting in their with them who clearly hear that as a call to violence.  Muhammad's call to violence.

Nope, for the enemies of our enemy that became our friends for a short while, they should have been dropped somewhere else in the middle east where they could have been around their like minded friends.  They didn't belong here for the same reason I will never own a pit bull.  Muslims are the human equivalent.  "Oh they are just so sweet, don't blame the dog, blame the owner...."  Then that sweet dog snaps like they are wont to do, bites your child's face off, and at that point you can't blame the dog.  You are the one that brought them in your house.  The smart people don't.  We need to wise up.

 

I don't believe this issue as so black and white as to say "No Muslims allowed. Period." They're not the same. As I said earlier, Muslims as a group from Malaysia or Singapore, are not the same as Muslims as a group in Yemen or Somalia. There's far less extremism or tolerance for extremism among Muslims in a country like Malaysia or Singapore. I'd say the same goes for UAE where I've also been to teach military students. They're very moderate and really striving to westernize that country in many ways as well as build stronger partnership ties with the US. Programs to support anti-terrorism efforts are an emphasis when we teach there, because that's what they want. Along with standard FMS and Direct Commercial Sales processes because they want the best and we have the best.

Tracking our former interpreters on Facebook they're pages are very much like any standard American's. They both have productive jobs and are raising families. Both are Muslim, but they truly are moderate anti-extremism types. They don't do politics unlike American friends who are doing overt, in-your-face, politics crap like my MAGA friends and many of the lefties, who seem to be doing low level battles online constantly. Best buddies in real life are going at each other on Facebook, which is sad. 

 


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That's what I thought. 

 


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Posted : 11/28/2025 12:57 pm
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I think everyone is to blame.  That being said, hard disagree on dropping them here just because they helped out over there.  Sometimes "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" can play out on one battlefield but that dynamic changes when the situation does.  Islam doesn't belong here right now (if ever).  We have to live with what we already have, but we shouldn't be importing more of it.  I can pull video after video of "moderates" in the US providing the comfort to people like this asshole by saying things like "Islam will come into every home in the US".  The "moderates" know EXACTLY what they are doing when they sit in their mosques and nod along with that.  They know that there are a not insignificant percentage of the people sitting in their with them who clearly hear that as a call to violence.  Muhammad's call to violence.

Nope, for the enemies of our enemy that became our friends for a short while, they should have been dropped somewhere else in the middle east where they could have been around their like minded friends.  They didn't belong here for the same reason I will never own a pit bull.  Muslims are the human equivalent.  "Oh they are just so sweet, don't blame the dog, blame the owner...."  Then that sweet dog snaps like they are wont to do, bites your child's face off, and at that point you can't blame the dog.  You are the one that brought them in your house.  The smart people don't.  We need to wise up.

 

I don't believe this issue as so black and white as to say "No Muslims allowed. Period." They're not the same. As I said earlier, Muslims as a group from Malaysia or Singapore, are not the same as Muslims as a group in Yemen or Somalia. There's far less extremism or tolerance for extremism among Muslims in a country like Malaysia or Singapore. I'd say the same goes for UAE where I've also been to teach military students. They're very moderate and really striving to westernize that country in many ways as well as build stronger partnership ties with the US. Programs to support anti-terrorism efforts are an emphasis when we teach there, because that's what they want. Along with standard FMS and Direct Commercial Sales processes because they want the best and we have the best.

Tracking our former interpreters on Facebook they're pages are very much like any standard American's. They both have productive jobs and are raising families. Both are Muslim, but they truly are moderate anti-extremism types. They don't do politics unlike American friends who are doing overt, in-your-face, politics crap like my MAGA friends and many of the lefties, who seem to be doing low level battles online constantly. Best buddies in real life are going at each other on Facebook, which is sad. 

 

Aren't you a Christian?  

 


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Posted : 11/28/2025 1:19 pm
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@unclemark 

He yelled “Allahu Akbar” as he fired his weapons.  

COH, I just Googled that and read several recent articles about the incident and the shooter and only one says that. It's from New York Post, which has one line, almost a throwaway, that says that a National Guardsman allegedly heard him say that. No other article I found says it, not any of the so-called MSM and not Fox. I did see links for Facebook and Instagram where random posters claim "witnesses heard him yelling Allahu Akbar" which is almost certainly nothing more than baseless speculation. One I found posting that was located in Texas where I'm sure he's plugged into witnesses on the streets of DC. It used to surprise me when people on social media take these posts as gospel, no questions asked. It's about whether they want to believe something, and if it is something they want to believe, they believe it and it's practically impossible to change their minds. They swear it's true forever. It ultimately may be more than alleged by one person that he said it, and if he's been radicalized and become an Islamic terrorist, it would be no surprise at all. Well, maybe mildly surprising since he worked with a CIA team in Afghanistan and yelling things to draw attention to themselves isn't exactly a thing. 😉 As of now, I'm putting this in the alleged category.

Seems there's no doubt they have the shooter. One the National Guardsman, the young lady, is dead and the other is critical. Pray for him and the families of both. The crime is now murder of the premeditated variety, I'm sure, and the penalty is death. If he's charged with terrorism they can kill him twice. I'm for the death penalty in cases like this where the perpetrator seems to be 100 percent certain. If hanging is still a federal method of execution, that would be appropriate. 

 


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