It will be exceedingly difficult to get a conviction here. First, New York's "voluntary intoxication loophole" (as it pertains to consent) is problematic. Next, my understanding is that she admits she agreed to a threesome. Of course, consent to a threesome doesn't compel the conclusion that she consented to sex with the men that followed but, again, it's a problem for the state. Also, she changed her story. That, by itself, is not a fatal flaw and is common in sexual assault cases. Victims process things differently and on different timelines. Memories can initially be fragmented and incomplete but later jogged by a question or comment that brings more clarity. Still, it's something that a jury would have to consider and could contribute to doubt.
Hard to imagine the state would ever be able to satisfy the standard of proof here.
Terrible situation for the woman. She's not "Jane Doe" on campus.
@carramrod do have a cite for that? If that’s the case that is indeed a bad look
The NYT reporting is pretty absolving for the guys.
https://twitter.com/katrosenfield/status/2105632332589994050?s=46
Terrible situation for the woman. She's not "Jane Doe" on campus.
If I recall correctly, she has since dropped out of Cornell. I could be wrong about that though. That said, you're spot on about what you've said here. A lot of people know who she is. It's a terrible situation all the way around for her, regardless of how the court case turns out.
There is near 0 chance the guys involved will get a fair investigation &/or trial, but the involvement of some minority males helps them some. I did laugh out loud at Mamdami calling the allegations “deeply disturbing” though.
Wow.@carramrod do have a cite for that? If that’s the case that is indeed a bad look
The NYT reporting is pretty absolving for the guys.
https://twitter.com/katrosenfield/status/2105632332589994050?s=46
There is near 0 chance the guys involved will get a fair investigation &/or trial, but the involvement of some minority males helps them some. I did laugh out loud at Mamdami calling the allegations “deeply disturbing” though.
They're well-heeled and lawyered up. I doubt that this case is ever tried but, if it is, why do you believe the men won't get a fair trial?
Why did Mamdani's comment make you laugh? Frat boys texting about a drunk woman and "free pussy" isn't disturbing?
I did laugh out loud at Mamdami calling the allegations “deeply disturbing” though.
What is he supposed to say? Rape allegations ARE deeply disturbing. That’s not predicting or predetermining how the case will turn out.
I did laugh out loud at Mamdami calling the allegations “deeply disturbing” though.
What is he supposed to say? Rape allegations ARE deeply disturbing. That’s not predicting or predetermining how the case will turn out.
Yes. I mean, like, wtf. How is Mamdani's comment remotely funny or inappropriate? (Rhetorical question - - I agree with you, as reflected in my post just prior to yours).
It will be exceedingly difficult to get a conviction here. First, New York's "voluntary intoxication loophole" (as it pertains to consent) is problematic. Next, my understanding is that she admits she agreed to a threesome. Of course, consent to a threesome doesn't compel the conclusion that she consented to sex with the men that followed but, again, it's a problem for the state. Also, she changed her story. That, by itself, is not a fatal flaw and is common in sexual assault cases. Victims process things differently and on different timelines. Memories can initially be fragmented and incomplete but later jogged by a question or comment that brings more clarity. Still, it's something that a jury would have to consider and could contribute to doubt.
Hard to imagine the state would ever be able to satisfy the standard of proof here.
Terrible situation for the woman. She's not "Jane Doe" on campus.
Being in denial and changing your story is pretty common for victims of sexual assault. It's not like she was raped by some rando in a park. These were her friends, she thought.
But my understanding of NY law regarding intoxicated consent matches yours. Unless any of them did anything to her while she was unconscious, or any of them gave her extra drugs without her knowledge, then it would be very, very difficult for the state to prove an assault here.
Terrible for the girl. Bad look for the frat, but fuck them, I have no sympathy for frat boys. Bad career-wise for the DA, but he made it worse by trying to blame Cornell, instead of just saying, "I can't talk about the specifics, but this case was thoroughly reviewed, and what was asserted by the claimant did not meet the definition of any prosecutable offense." On the other hand, though, if his accusations about Cornell police are accurate, then they come off worse than anyone, because now it looks like an active coverup.
Letitia James is, I think, a nutjob. Her public comment was inappropriate. It hardly means, though, that these guys would be deprived of a fair trial if the case ever went that far. It could easily be fleshed out and managed during the voir dire.
Mamdani's comment ("deeply disturbing") was perfectly appropriate.
Am I the only one feeling like they truly did not get the full college experience?
It will be exceedingly difficult to get a conviction here. First, New York's "voluntary intoxication loophole" (as it pertains to consent) is problematic. Next, my understanding is that she admits she agreed to a threesome. Of course, consent to a threesome doesn't compel the conclusion that she consented to sex with the men that followed but, again, it's a problem for the state. Also, she changed her story. That, by itself, is not a fatal flaw and is common in sexual assault cases. Victims process things differently and on different timelines. Memories can initially be fragmented and incomplete but later jogged by a question or comment that brings more clarity. Still, it's something that a jury would have to consider and could contribute to doubt.
Hard to imagine the state would ever be able to satisfy the standard of proof here.
Terrible situation for the woman. She's not "Jane Doe" on campus.
Being in denial and changing your story is pretty common for victims of sexual assault. It's not like she was raped by some rando in a park. These were her friends, she thought.
But my understanding of NY law regarding intoxicated consent matches yours. Unless any of them did anything to her while she was unconscious, or any of them gave her extra drugs without her knowledge, then it would be very, very difficult for the state to prove an assault here.
Terrible for the girl. Bad look for the frat, but fuck them, I have no sympathy for frat boys. Bad career-wise for the DA, but he made it worse by trying to blame Cornell, instead of just saying, "I can't talk about the specifics, but this case was thoroughly reviewed, and what was asserted by the claimant did not meet the definition of any prosecutable offense." On the other hand, though, if his accusations about Cornell police are accurate, then they come off worse than anyone, because now it looks like an active coverup.
Yes.
Maybe you guys are my safe space....
Yea, social media is a cesspool. I'd like to think we are a decent group of gentlemen (plus a lady)