https://twitter.com/marchmadnessmbb/status/2041138860806341105?s=61&t=1KiTJ7EYgX-uQgf4Wkb9sg
I may have watched this a hundred times over the years.
I thought this was going to be a Dusty May post.
I thought this was going to be a Dusty May post.
Nope. Count me amongst the group that believes based on a little information & a lot of conjecture that he wasn’t coming to IU even if we offered a year earlier…
https://twitter.com/marchmadnessmbb/status/2041138860806341105?s=61&t=1KiTJ7EYgX-uQgf4Wkb9sg
I may have watched this a hundred times over the years.
That 1987 national championship game is still on a VHS tape somewhere in my parents' house. I watched that all the way through including that 'One Shining Moment' segment a ton. I loved that play where Alford passes to Eyl who makes a behind-the-back pass to Dean Garrett for the finish. I remember trying to recreate that play in my aunt's driveway.
Nope. Count me amongst the group that believes based on a little information & a lot of conjecture that he wasn’t coming to IU even if we offered a year earlier…
I have zero insight into that decision, but I can't imagine why he wouldn't at least consider IU at the level he considered Michigan if IU offered. Michigan won 8 games the year before he came there.
Nope. Count me amongst the group that believes based on a little information & a lot of conjecture that he wasn’t coming to IU even if we offered a year earlier…
I have zero insight into that decision, but I can't imagine why he wouldn't at least consider IU at the level he considered Michigan if IU offered. Michigan won 8 games the year before he came there.
OK. Sorry about your lack of imagination, that must suck. Maybe, just maybe, there were more factors in the decision than the number of games won the previous season by a completely different staff. When you win a championship with 5 transfers maybe the previous season’s record & roster is not such a big deal, not to mention that any coach that is going to base a long term career decision on someone else’s success in the position is probably not worth hiring..🙄
Michigan is the better job right now & has been for a while…
And it's not that close, imo.Michigan is the better job right now & has been for a while…
Nope. Count me amongst the group that believes based on a little information & a lot of conjecture that he wasn’t coming to IU even if we offered a year earlier…
I have zero insight into that decision, but I can't imagine why he wouldn't at least consider IU at the level he considered Michigan if IU offered. Michigan won 8 games the year before he came there.
He probably would have been when you make no attempt it does not matter. The old boys club was going to take care of Bob Knights player no matter what. I posted before Quinn and his buddies are not IU guys they are bob knight guys and they do not care about IU hoops unless its one of their guys. I would not be shocked if quinn had a little smile on his face seeing dusty win it and thinking thats karma to mile brand.
OK. Sorry about your lack of imagination, that must suck. Maybe, just maybe, there were more factors in the decision than the number of games won the previous season by a completely different staff. When you win a championship with 5 transfers maybe the previous season’s record & roster is not such a big deal, not to mention that any coach that is going to base a long term career decision on someone else’s success in the position is probably not worth hiring..
Michigan is the better job right now & has been for a while…
WTF is your problem? Lack of imagination?
If someone is looking to take over a program that won 8 games as opposed to a program that won, say 19 games the year before you got there, simple math would suggest you have a bigger rebuild at a place that won 8 games and finished at the bottom of their 18 team league. Maybe the Michigan/St. John's model of scrapping the whole thing and starting from scratch is the way to go moving forward, but you can't get much lower than taking over a program that finished dead last in the league. No season starts in a void, which makes the last two seasons of Michigan basketball all that more impressive.
That said, it's all about resources, support and commitment to NIL dollars. Without all that, a good coach is going to look pretty mediocre or bad anywhere. All things being equal, I'd put IU's support and fanbase against Michigan's any day. And I'd venture to guess they can go toe to toe on NIL spending as well. Go back and watch a Michigan home game from 2023-24 when they finished on a 9 game losing streak on their way to a last place Big Ten finish. If the IU job were open at the exact same time, I find it hard to believe that most people would find the Michigan more desirable than the IU job. in April of '26 I'd agree the Michigan job is the better job. In April of '24, not so much.
And it's not that close, imo.
It IS close! Oneeyedwhatsit kind of made my point. Michigan won 8 GAMES the year before Dusty arrived and he totally overhauled the entire program. He didn't walk into a winning locker room or culture. And anyone who thinks the Michigan fanbase cares more about basketball than IU does is fooling themselves. If you asked 10 random Michigan fans if they'd trade last night's win for a decade of dominance over OSU in football and a football national championship, they'd answer a resounding 'yes!' before you could finish the question.
And IU has the NIL resources to compete. IU has the tools to win a national title. They're in a much better position than 80% of Big Ten basketball programs.
He probably would have been when you make no attempt it does not matter. The old boys club was going to take care of Bob Knights player no matter what. I posted before Quinn and his buddies are not IU guys they are bob knight guys and they do not care about IU hoops unless its one of their guys. I would not be shocked if quinn had a little smile on his face seeing dusty win it and thinking thats karma to mile brand.
I think this is a fair assessment about the inner workings of the IU administration. I don't subscribe to the idea that IU is fixed to middle-of-the-road or less status from here to eternity like others here seem to be. If Michigan can hire someone who can take over a program that won 8 games and finished 18th in the Big Ten two years ago and win a national title, the right coaching staff could do something like that at IU too. IU's athletic department has the resources and the alumni/fanbase are hungry for a winner. It's not like IU is Central Michigan or something...
He probably would have been when you make no attempt it does not matter. The old boys club was going to take care of Bob Knights player no matter what. I posted before Quinn and his buddies are not IU guys they are bob knight guys and they do not care about IU hoops unless its one of their guys. I would not be shocked if quinn had a little smile on his face seeing dusty win it and thinking thats karma to mile brand.
I think this is a fair assessment about the inner workings of the IU administration. I don't subscribe to the idea that IU is fixed to middle-of-the-road or less status from here to eternity like others here seem to be. If Michigan can hire someone who can take over a program that won 8 games and finished 18th in the Big Ten two years ago and win a national title, the right coaching staff could do something like that at IU too. IU's athletic department has the resources and the alumni/fanbase are hungry for a winner. It's not like IU is Central Michigan or something...
Maybe but its not happening with DD so you will have to wait til the next hire. But if IU is good at one thing its making the wrong hires over and over again. Guys like Dusty to not come around very often so when you do you better grab them while you can. That is what Michigan did. I am under the opionion quinn and his buddies who still get worshiped dont care about IU hoops the only care about bob knight and now in a way I would not be shocked if they do not mind seeing the state of the program as karma for firing knight. Honestly I am just sick of giving these guys props for something from 50 years ago when I dont think they actually support the program.
OK. Sorry about your lack of imagination, that must suck. Maybe, just maybe, there were more factors in the decision than the number of games won the previous season by a completely different staff. When you win a championship with 5 transfers maybe the previous season’s record & roster is not such a big deal, not to mention that any coach that is going to base a long term career decision on someone else’s success in the position is probably not worth hiring..
Michigan is the better job right now & has been for a while…
WTF is your problem? Lack of imagination?
If someone is looking to take over a program that won 8 games as opposed to a program that won, say 19 games the year before you got there, simple math would suggest you have a bigger rebuild at a place that won 8 games and finished at the bottom of their 18 team league. Maybe the Michigan/St. John's model of scrapping the whole thing and starting from scratch is the way to go moving forward, but you can't get much lower than taking over a program that finished dead last in the league. No season starts in a void, which makes the last two seasons of Michigan basketball all that more impressive.
That said, it's all about resources, support and commitment to NIL dollars. Without all that, a good coach is going to look pretty mediocre or bad anywhere. All things being equal, I'd put IU's support and fanbase against Michigan's any day. And I'd venture to guess they can go toe to toe on NIL spending as well. Go back and watch a Michigan home game from 2023-24 when they finished on a 9 game losing streak on their way to a last place Big Ten finish. If the IU job were open at the exact same time, I find it hard to believe that most people would find the Michigan more desirable than the IU job. in April of '26 I'd agree the Michigan job is the better job. In April of '24, not so much.
”I can’t imagine”, your words, & you’re right, & now you’ve moved the goalposts from reasons Dusty wasn’t going to come here to reasons nobody would. Sorry, but imagination isn’t all you’re lacking in this argument.🤷♂️
Maybe but its not happening with DD so you will have to wait til the next hire. But if IU is good at one thing its making the wrong hires over and over again. Guys like Dusty to not come around very often so when you do you better grab them while you can. That is what Michigan did. I am under the opionion quinn and his buddies who still get worshiped dont care about IU hoops the only care about bob knight and now in a way I would not be shocked if they do not mind seeing the state of the program as karma for firing knight. Honestly I am just sick of giving these guys props for something from 50 years ago when I dont think they actually support the program.
I think the verdict is still out on DeVries. See what he does this year. I agree that there isn't a long runway for coaches in this day and age. If we're having a similar conversation about him next year at this time, I'd tend to agree with your assessment.
I also agree re: Dusty. Good coaches are hard to find.