I personally would like to keep Dorn. I think he needs to take a pay cut, tho, or stay for the same money. Yes, he DID go ice-cold but he has shown the ability to find his stroke at times. What I like is his length, defense, rebounding, nose for the ball. He brings a good bit more than just shooting and with a year to improve his game, I think he could be valuable off the bench. NOW, this is where a good coach will excel, Individual Development. Does CDD have it in him??? Sounds like this Olsen dude is pretty well a one-trick pony.
Oh, darn. Adam Olsen may be his replacement? Not much difference here.
DD better be getting his players from P4 conferences, because mid-major's aren't going to cut it. Hopefully, we'll start seeing some signings soon.
I personally would like to keep Dorn. I think he needs to take a pay cut, tho, or stay for the same money. Yes, he DID go ice-cold but he has shown the ability to find his stroke at times. What I like is his length, defense, rebounding, nose for the ball. He brings a good bit more than just shooting and with a year to improve his game, I think he could be valuable off the bench. NOW, this is where a good coach will excel, Individual Development. Does CDD have it in him??? Sounds like this Olsen dude is pretty well a one-trick pony.
- It seems like it doesn't matter...Dorn is probably gone.
- I think if you compare the two players, albeit against different comp, you'll see there's not a big difference and, in fact, Olsen might be better at some of hte areas you mentioned.
Here's the deal: The hiring of CDD did not send any shock waves thru the College BBall world. CDD did not create any excitement for the program during the season. He did NOT develop Sisley or anyone else as the season went along. I did not see anyone elevate their game as the season went along. I did not see the TEAM get any better as the season went along. I think ANY coach could have achieved those results with our roster. Yes, the roster was deeply flawed, but we IU fans know basketball and we know when a team is over-achieving. We did not see that this year, not even close. SO YES, we are all hoping for some JUICE to the program through portal additions. There is no overstating how important this portal is to our program this year. This portal season will define how the University, Boosters, AD view the importance of Basketball to the University. The DUDES are out there. We need some DUDES. Go get them.
i saw mike woodson and archie miller and late stage tom crean and mike davis and even late career bob knight all do the same thing with similar talent, actually.
i don't mean to be obtuse, but i think you're not looking at this through the lens of iu basketball for a full generation.
to your main point, iu needs dudes...specifically athletes, or they have no chance.
@d-b-cooper I'm not suggesting that they need to list out what they're playing individual players. A line item from a budget would be helpful.
@d-b-cooper I know. What I'm trying to say is that it benefits other teams and programs to know what your competition is spending on NIL. The fact that NIL money is paid out through 'foundations' is slimy. These are essentially the old under-the-table payments that are now legal...and tax deductible.
DD better be getting his players from P4 conferences, because mid-major's aren't going to cut it.
Doesn't matter where they come from, but he needs players. Stirtz and Landeborg and many others were mid-major kids who have proven they can play in the B10 and highest level. This was just a poorly constructed roster in the end, and I think terribly undersized and under "physicaled" for the B10. Hopefully Carr and Dolson can work some magic, because we're in the same position as last year needing almost an entire roster and having NIL deals jumping 20-30%. They need to pay attention to classes/eligibility, along with skills and position and get some balance and depth across all. We need a starter and backup at all 5 positions and then a development piece at post, wing and PG. One big guy, isn't cutting it and 2 still leaves us thin.
@ohio-guy no…no it’s not the same. You don’t want the competition to know either.
I am absolutely looking at this through the lens of aproximately three generations, if not four, of IU B-Ball. All of those coaches "got gone" with those results ( a little more complicated with CBK obviously) and those results are the cause of IU B-ball decline and the source of all of our angst.Here's the deal: The hiring of CDD did not send any shock waves thru the College BBall world. CDD did not create any excitement for the program during the season. He did NOT develop Sisley or anyone else as the season went along. I did not see anyone elevate their game as the season went along. I did not see the TEAM get any better as the season went along. I think ANY coach could have achieved those results with our roster. Yes, the roster was deeply flawed, but we IU fans know basketball and we know when a team is over-achieving. We did not see that this year, not even close. SO YES, we are all hoping for some JUICE to the program through portal additions. There is no overstating how important this portal is to our program this year. This portal season will define how the University, Boosters, AD view the importance of Basketball to the University. The DUDES are out there. We need some DUDES. Go get them.
i saw mike woodson and archie miller and late stage tom crean and mike davis and even late career bob knight all do the same thing with similar talent, actually.
i don't mean to be obtuse, but i think you're not looking at this through the lens of iu basketball for a full generation.
to your main point, iu needs dudes...specifically athletes, or they have no chance.
Basically what I'm saying about CDD is that he did nothing the past 12 months to help our program. I'm really at a loss b/c I felt like he did a bang-up job at WV in his only season there and was hoping/expecting similar results here. I suppose that is why I am not "writing him off' just yet, but things need to change in a hurry. I don't think 12-14 million in NIL is going to cut it and someone needs to pony up and get some DUDES while they are out there.
He might be. I've not seen him play. I'm going by what others have written. I have seen Dorn play. We know what we can get with him. He needs to be much more consistent, but the potential is there.I personally would like to keep Dorn. I think he needs to take a pay cut, tho, or stay for the same money. Yes, he DID go ice-cold but he has shown the ability to find his stroke at times. What I like is his length, defense, rebounding, nose for the ball. He brings a good bit more than just shooting and with a year to improve his game, I think he could be valuable off the bench. NOW, this is where a good coach will excel, Individual Development. Does CDD have it in him??? Sounds like this Olsen dude is pretty well a one-trick pony.
- It seems like it doesn't matter...Dorn is probably gone.
- I think if you compare the two players, albeit against different comp, you'll see there's not a big difference and, in fact, Olsen might be better at some of hte areas you mentioned.
I respectfully disagree. Dorn is very tall and long for someone who can play out on the perimeter like he can. He can cause problems on D for the opponent by getting in passing lanes, hitting the boards. He is a high energy guy. When Dorn was GOOD, which he was in a 3 or 4 game stretch, he was really good. I wouldn't call him a one trick pony at all. It seems like when he was "off" he was really off and I would have liked to have seen him concentrate on the other things he can do well, when his shot wasn't falling.I personally would like to keep Dorn. I think he needs to take a pay cut, tho, or stay for the same money. Yes, he DID go ice-cold but he has shown the ability to find his stroke at times. What I like is his length, defense, rebounding, nose for the ball. He brings a good bit more than just shooting and with a year to improve his game, I think he could be valuable off the bench. NOW, this is where a good coach will excel, Individual Development. Does CDD have it in him??? Sounds like this Olsen dude is pretty well a one-trick pony.
the bold, described nick dorn this year.
as has been said before, the olsen kid seems like the dorn replacement.
i would be disappointed if olsen was a starter unless they had burton, juke harris and sherrill level top three.
That said, the Dorns and Olsens of the world aren't program changers. We need program changers. We need first year WV CDD.
@d-b-cooper I do think college athletics would be better off if it was actually known what schools are spending on NIL. That way there is a level of accountability and metered expectations. I'm making this up, but if the team that is winning your league every year is spending $10 million, and your team is spending $3 million, then the choice on whether or not you want to be a winner is clear.
That also sets up fan expectations too. If an athletic program isn't going to invest what is needed to win, why should the fans invest in the product they're putting on the court/field?
Here's the deal: The hiring of CDD did not send any shock waves thru the College BBall world. CDD did not create any excitement for the program during the season. He did NOT develop Sisley or anyone else as the season went along. I did not see anyone elevate their game as the season went along. I did not see the TEAM get any better as the season went along. I think ANY coach could have achieved those results with our roster. Yes, the roster was deeply flawed, but we IU fans know basketball and we know when a team is over-achieving. We did not see that this year, not even close. SO YES, we are all hoping for some JUICE to the program through portal additions. There is no overstating how important this portal is to our program this year. This portal season will define how the University, Boosters, AD view the importance of Basketball to the University. The DUDES are out there. We need some DUDES. Go get them.
I think after archie and woodson the program needed excitement in the worst possible way and this hire did not do it at all. So some say we are doomers but what did they expect after the last ten years and a hire that was not exciting. The only way to bring back excitement now is to make the tourney and win a few games. That is just the state of the program after the last 10 years on making the tourney two times.