@openwheel Agreed never liked it when the coach's kid was on the team. OK for youth, when dads are your primary source of coaches. In HS or above, it creates a weird dynamic (and yes I remember RMK did it too, and I didn't think that was good). You see it a lot, and I guess sometimes it works out, but it's got to be easier to be objective when you don't have that.
McDermott
Hoiberg
Izzo
Self
Beilein
Boeheim
Bennett
Tubby
McCaffrey
Drew
Those are just off the top of my head, coaches whose sons played for them for successful programs.
RMK.
@openwheel Agreed never liked it when the coach's kid was on the team. OK for youth, when dads are your primary source of coaches. In HS or above, it creates a weird dynamic (and yes I remember RMK did it too, and I didn't think that was good). You see it a lot, and I guess sometimes it works out, but it's got to be easier to be objective when you don't have that.
McDermott
Hoiberg
Izzo
Self
Beilein
Boeheim
Bennett
Tubby
McCaffrey
Drew
Those are just off the top of my head, coaches whose sons played for them for successful programs.
RMK.
Was already mentioned and obvious, so didn't list it
@tjinman1987 any idea if iu has a shot at jackson shelstad? seems like he had a good time at upstairs when oregon came to town (he was hurt).
About Shelstad......definitely a very good player who could make a very good team into a great, championship team if he filled a hole in the line-up. That said, I don't know if he'd be a good $3-4M investment for IU basketball. My reasoning is that he's a 6'0" guard, relatively slight of build, who is not likely to physically take over a game. He's good but not great when it comes to offensive efficiency. And not a dominating defensive presence. That surprised me some when I looked at his #s, because he looked all-world against us last year, but I think that says more about us than it does about him.
I realize 247 as him #1 right now in the portal, and he'd be a very nice addition if we had unlimited resources or were 1 player away from being a championship-level team. He looks like a guy who would be a good teammate.
The only one I'm aware of is Jonathan Powell who played for him at West Virginia. At WVU, Powell played 30.1 mpg, averaged 8.3 ppg and shot 35.2% from 3. Last year at NC he came off the bench and averaged 4.8 ppg in 16.3 mpg with 36.5% from 3 point land. Powell has 2 years of remaining eligibility.Any DeVries or state of Indiana connections to UNC players that might hit the portal, after Hubert Davis was dismissed? Sounds like they won't promote any assistant and will go "outside", so I'd expect mass departures.
@jackskip23 Pat Knight is a great example of this. He obviously wasn't "good enough" to get a scholarship on those IU teams. And giving him one, took away the opportunity to recruit another player of higher caliber. A player that could have made the difference, and pushed one of those Cheaney teams to a national title. It would have been nice to have another big when Henderson went down in 93, or that same big more capable of slowing Laettner down in 92. Obviously he could have had other kinds of value to RMK, and to the team. But he could have done that as a walkon, or manager.
Knight’s top three “another big” choices during that era all went elsewhere. He swung but missed.
that problem was created when Lawson and Funderburke left. And Lindeman sucked
That didn’t help, but none of those guys were the three guys guys Knight chased and missed on. Would’ve been great had LF stayed but he never should’ve come in the first place. Likewise, Knight “recruited” Shawn Kemp, but that was never going to work, either.
The three (really four) players were Eric Montross, Glen Robinson, Chris Webber and Raef LaFrentz. Knight really wanted all four of them. Even getting one probably gets us a sixth NC.
Robinson wanted to come to IU. But two things changed that :
1. He was a prop 48 and RMK didn't want any part of that back then
2. on one of Glenn's visits he was waiting for RMK in his office and he had one of his feet up on his desk when RMK came in.. the general lit him up for it and told him to come back when he found some manners. Glenn never came back ..: words straight from Glenn's mouth.
Never realized robinson was even interested in IU. Losing Montross was the one that really hurt I think many people though he was coming to IU. Kind of the Same thing with Sean May everyone assumed Mike Davis had him until Knight told May otherwise
@jackskip23 Pat Knight is a great example of this. He obviously wasn't "good enough" to get a scholarship on those IU teams. And giving him one, took away the opportunity to recruit another player of higher caliber. A player that could have made the difference, and pushed one of those Cheaney teams to a national title. It would have been nice to have another big when Henderson went down in 93, or that same big more capable of slowing Laettner down in 92. Obviously he could have had other kinds of value to RMK, and to the team. But he could have done that as a walkon, or manager.
Knight’s top three “another big” choices during that era all went elsewhere. He swung but missed.
that problem was created when Lawson and Funderburke left. And Lindeman sucked
Most people thought we would have montross in 1992
@bigmike One more...maybe. Derek Dixon was a 6'5" freshman lead guard. He played at Gonzaga High School in DC, is from Fairfax, VA and played AAU for...you guessed it (or did you?), Team Takeover. I'm sure Kenny Johnson is very aware of him and he was a positive player as a freshman (2.3 BPM, good assist to turnover number, 81% foul shooter and 50-126 (39.7%) from three. Intriguing option (if he portaled).
Hoped, maybe. He was never an IU lean and in fact was probably just as likely to go to Michigan as he was Indiana.@jackskip23 Pat Knight is a great example of this. He obviously wasn't "good enough" to get a scholarship on those IU teams. And giving him one, took away the opportunity to recruit another player of higher caliber. A player that could have made the difference, and pushed one of those Cheaney teams to a national title. It would have been nice to have another big when Henderson went down in 93, or that same big more capable of slowing Laettner down in 92. Obviously he could have had other kinds of value to RMK, and to the team. But he could have done that as a walkon, or manager.
Knight’s top three “another big” choices during that era all went elsewhere. He swung but missed.
that problem was created when Lawson and Funderburke left. And Lindeman sucked
Most people thought we would have montross in 1992
@arioznahoosier4554 Didn’t something happen between his dad and Knight?
Yes. His dad handled the Landon Turner PI case, and Knight didn't think he got top $$ in settlement. Pissed his dad off. Allegedly.
I'd say you are 100% correct that Kenny knows all about him. I see Dixon was a 4 star heavily recruited player. Lots to like, big guard 3 more years of eligibility and upside.@bigmike One more...maybe. Derek Dixon was a 6'5" freshman lead guard. He played at Gonzaga High School in DC, is from Fairfax, VA and played AAU for...you guessed it (or did you?), Team Takeover. I'm sure Kenny Johnson is very aware of him and he was a positive player as a freshman (2.3 BPM, good assist to turnover number, 81% foul shooter and 50-126 (39.7%) from three. Intriguing option (if he portaled).
@jackskip23 Pat Knight is a great example of this. He obviously wasn't "good enough" to get a scholarship on those IU teams. And giving him one, took away the opportunity to recruit another player of higher caliber. A player that could have made the difference, and pushed one of those Cheaney teams to a national title. It would have been nice to have another big when Henderson went down in 93, or that same big more capable of slowing Laettner down in 92. Obviously he could have had other kinds of value to RMK, and to the team. But he could have done that as a walkon, or manager.
Knight’s top three “another big” choices during that era all went elsewhere. He swung but missed.
that problem was created when Lawson and Funderburke left. And Lindeman sucked
That didn’t help, but none of those guys were the three guys guys Knight chased and missed on. Would’ve been great had LF stayed but he never should’ve come in the first place. Likewise, Knight “recruited” Shawn Kemp, but that was never going to work, either.
The three (really four) players were Eric Montross, Glen Robinson, Chris Webber and Raef LaFrentz. Knight really wanted all four of them. Even getting one probably gets us a sixth NC.
Robinson wanted to come to IU. But two things changed that :
1. He was a prop 48 and RMK didn't want any part of that back then
2. on one of Glenn's visits he was waiting for RMK in his office and he had one of his feet up on his desk when RMK came in.. the general lit him up for it and told him to come back when he found some manners. Glenn never came back ..: words straight from Glenn's mouth.
Never realized robinson was even interested in IU. Losing Montross was the one that really hurt I think many people though he was coming to IU. Kind of the Same thing with Sean May everyone assumed Mike Davis had him until Knight told May otherwise
Montross was never coming to IU. He would’ve gone to UM had he not chosen UNC.
@arioznahoosier4554 Didn’t something happen between his dad and Knight?
Yes. His dad handled the Landon Turner PI case, and Knight didn't think he got top $$ in settlement. Pissed his dad off. Allegedly.
An example of BK having an opinion about a subject on which he wasn’t very well informed. Not sure how much it really impacted EM’s decision, but I doubt it helped. Heard from a number of people at the time that Eric never really felt at home at IU.
@mushroomgod Here is another one. Gavin Doty from Sienna.
6’5” 190lb shooting guard. I think he has 2 yrs remaining.
18 ppg, 7 reb, 2.2 assists Shot 46% fg, but only 32% from 3 pt. Strong 86% ft %.
Great rebounding for a SG, even as a mid major.
He stood out in the tourney loss to Duke with 21 points, although it wasn’t efficient at 7/20 on field goals. But I do recall noticing a lot of toughness in him when I was watching that game. He stood out.
It just occurred to me that he will likely follow his coach to Syracuse.
I rewatched a few DeVries clips from the spring or summer. He said we would need guys to play tough defense, together, and part of success for year one would be if we did that.
Did we get that? Seems a No...
We had some tough dee games. And many where we seemed to wilt when the other teams had more muscle. And a couple we wilted anyway.
We need fast tenacious athletic guys who are big enough, and buy in to defense.
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