@gros-louis No doubt it sometimes works. Would you say that in all of those cases it was good for the program and the player (even if the program was overall successful)? I remember speculation that McCaffery's kid had his anxiety issues because Fran was such a nut job himself.
And would Pat Knight get recruited by RMK if he was Pat Smith?
PK wasn’t a Big Ten level player.
@gros-louis What are you disagreeing with? I might not have worded it well, but my first statement is basically implying the son is either only there, or has a greater importance or role than he would have for other teams... because his dad is the coach. If a player son is getting minutes, getting NIL money nowadays, even just getting a scholly... he better be pretty clearly deserving of those things. More bad than good, USUALLY, comes from it when they're getting minutes or roles that better players could be getting.
@jackskip23 Pat Knight is a great example of this. He obviously wasn't "good enough" to get a scholarship on those IU teams. And giving him one, took away the opportunity to recruit another player of higher caliber. A player that could have made the difference, and pushed one of those Cheaney teams to a national title. It would have been nice to have another big when Henderson went down in 93, or that same big more capable of slowing Laettner down in 92. Obviously he could have had other kinds of value to RMK, and to the team. But he could have done that as a walkon, or manager.
Cig had players at his old stop who would run through a brick wall for him, and gladly followed.
I honestly think Coach's son moving on will help him long term. Gotta be tough to balance the needs of the team when your own kid is on it.
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RMK didn't have an issue with it ... he's weak .. I'm never a fan of daddy ball and in this case definitely not but Tucker leaving won't fix this
Back on topic...the transfer portal and construction of IU's next roster.
A couple of names to maybe keep an eye on: Cooper Bowser, 6'10" from Furman with one year left. Number one, cool name. Number two, originally from Woodbridge, VA so maybe a connection with Kenny Johnson. I have seen the comparison to a slightly taller Sam Alexis and I think it's apt. He's an above-average rim protector, decent rebounder and really efficient finisher around the rim (elite effective field goal percentage). I wish Bowser's rebounding metrics were a bit better but he's a very serviceable big guy.
Adam Olsen - 6'8" or 6'9" shooter from South Alabama. Olsen doesn't rebound particularly well and he is a bad defender (USA masked it with a zone) but he has a pure shooting stroke and can absolutely light it up from 3. I mentioned him weeks ago and he's now made it publicly known that he's entering the portal.
A developing situation is that Micah Shrewsberry appears on his way out of South Bend. Several Notre Dame players are reportedly hitting the portal. He could be going to Butler to fill that vacancy. I suppose he could be an assistant somewhere as well? If he leaves, there will be dominoes to follow: what happens with Jalen Haralson and where does he end up? What will stud in-state recruiter and assistant Ryan "Smoke" Owens do?
Back on topic...the transfer portal and construction of IU's next roster.
A couple of names to maybe keep an eye on: Cooper Bowser, 6'10" from Furman with one year left. Number one, cool name. Number two, originally from Woodbridge, VA so maybe a connection with Kenny Johnson. I have seen the comparison to a slightly taller Sam Alexis and I think it's apt. He's an above-average rim protector, decent rebounder and really efficient finisher around the rim (elite effective field goal percentage). I wish Bowser's rebounding metrics were a bit better but he's a very serviceable big guy.
Adam Olsen - 6'8" or 6'9" shooter from South Alabama. Olsen doesn't rebound particularly well and he is a bad defender (USA masked it with a zone) but he has a pure shooting stroke and can absolutely light it up from 3. I mentioned him weeks ago and he's now made it publicly known that he's entering the portal.
A developing situation is that Micah Shrewsberry appears on his way out of South Bend. Several Notre Dame players are reportedly hitting the portal. He could be going to Butler to fill that vacancy. I suppose he could be an assistant somewhere as well? If he leaves, there will be dominoes to follow: what happens with Jalen Haralson and where does he end up? What will stud in-state recruiter and assistant Ryan "Smoke" Owens do?
why so many mid majors. Aren't we allowed to poach players from actual good teams.
@jackskip23 Pat Knight is a great example of this. He obviously wasn't "good enough" to get a scholarship on those IU teams. And giving him one, took away the opportunity to recruit another player of higher caliber. A player that could have made the difference, and pushed one of those Cheaney teams to a national title. It would have been nice to have another big when Henderson went down in 93, or that same big more capable of slowing Laettner down in 92. Obviously he could have had other kinds of value to RMK, and to the team. But he could have done that as a walkon, or manager.
Knight’s top three “another big” choices during that era all went elsewhere. He swung but missed.
@jackskip23 Pat Knight is a great example of this. He obviously wasn't "good enough" to get a scholarship on those IU teams. And giving him one, took away the opportunity to recruit another player of higher caliber. A player that could have made the difference, and pushed one of those Cheaney teams to a national title. It would have been nice to have another big when Henderson went down in 93, or that same big more capable of slowing Laettner down in 92. Obviously he could have had other kinds of value to RMK, and to the team. But he could have done that as a walkon, or manager.
Knight’s top three “another big” choices during that era all went elsewhere. He swung but missed.
that problem was created when Lawson and Funderburke left. And Lindeman sucked
@jackskip23 Pat Knight is a great example of this. He obviously wasn't "good enough" to get a scholarship on those IU teams. And giving him one, took away the opportunity to recruit another player of higher caliber. A player that could have made the difference, and pushed one of those Cheaney teams to a national title. It would have been nice to have another big when Henderson went down in 93, or that same big more capable of slowing Laettner down in 92. Obviously he could have had other kinds of value to RMK, and to the team. But he could have done that as a walkon, or manager.
Knight’s top three “another big” choices during that era all went elsewhere. He swung but missed.
that problem was created when Lawson and Funderburke left. And Lindeman sucked
That didn’t help, but none of those guys were the three guys guys Knight chased and missed on. Would’ve been great had LF stayed but he never should’ve come in the first place. Likewise, Knight “recruited” Shawn Kemp, but that was never going to work, either.
The three (really four) players were Eric Montross, Glen Robinson, Chris Webber and Raef LaFrentz. Knight really wanted all four of them. Even getting one probably gets us a sixth NC.
Looks like the biggest and perhaps one of the more interesting players entered the portal. Anton Bonke is 7'2" and tips the scales at 275. Played at Charlotte and averaged 10.6 ppg and 8.3 rpg. Bonke has two years of remaining eligibility. Being from Port Vila, Vanuatu makes him a development project as Bonke didn't grow up playing any serious competition. I'm going to take a wild guess and bet most people never heard of the country of Vanuatu. Will have to see who takes a chance on Bonke by giving him an offer.
Could be intersting. I'm not big on projects for this cycle, we need immediate performers. But OTOH you can't coach a kid up to 7'2".
Weren't you teammates with one of the top examples of daddy ball in IU history?Cig had players at his old stop who would run through a brick wall for him, and gladly followed.
I honestly think Coach's son moving on will help him long term. Gotta be tough to balance the needs of the team when your own kid is on it.
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RMK didn't have an issue with it ... he's weak .. I'm never a fan of daddy ball and in this case definitely not but Tucker leaving won't fix this
Weren't you teammates with one of the top examples of daddy ball in IU history?Cig had players at his old stop who would run through a brick wall for him, and gladly followed.
I honestly think Coach's son moving on will help him long term. Gotta be tough to balance the needs of the team when your own kid is on it.
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RMK didn't have an issue with it ... he's weak .. I'm never a fan of daddy ball and in this case definitely not but Tucker leaving won't fix this
I was. That worked out well too ... this one not so much
@jackskip23 Pat Knight is a great example of this. He obviously wasn't "good enough" to get a scholarship on those IU teams. And giving him one, took away the opportunity to recruit another player of higher caliber. A player that could have made the difference, and pushed one of those Cheaney teams to a national title. It would have been nice to have another big when Henderson went down in 93, or that same big more capable of slowing Laettner down in 92. Obviously he could have had other kinds of value to RMK, and to the team. But he could have done that as a walkon, or manager.
Knight’s top three “another big” choices during that era all went elsewhere. He swung but missed.
that problem was created when Lawson and Funderburke left. And Lindeman sucked
That didn’t help, but none of those guys were the three guys guys Knight chased and missed on. Would’ve been great had LF stayed but he never should’ve come in the first place. Likewise, Knight “recruited” Shawn Kemp, but that was never going to work, either.
The three (really four) players were Eric Montross, Glen Robinson, Chris Webber and Raef LaFrentz. Knight really wanted all four of them. Even getting one probably gets us a sixth NC.
Robinson wanted to come to IU. But two things changed that :
1. He was a prop 48 and RMK didn't want any part of that back then
2. on one of Glenn's visits he was waiting for RMK in his office and he had one of his feet up on his desk when RMK came in.. the general lit him up for it and told him to come back when he found some manners. Glenn never came back ..: words straight from Glenn's mouth.
It's great to have strong NIL, but money alone won't equate to a solid roster; IU isn't exactly a hot basketball commodity right now. This season's poor roster construction probably isn't all about DD not being able to evaluate talent ... perhaps high-level transfers didn't want to come to Bloomington. Why would they?
A good coach succeeds regardless of where they are. Cignetti took over a dumpster fire. Two years later he wins a national title.
tom allen was cooked at iu. he had to go.
but said "dumpster fire" is going to produce numerous draft picks and multi year starters for two playoff teams.
guys like, evans, becker, carter smith, louis moore, bray lynch, amare ferrell, omar cooper, ej williams, jamari sharpe and kahlil benson come to mind off the top of my head. and that doesn't even include guys who left and will likely be nfl'ers like brendan sorsby, donaven mcculley, and maybe even kam perry.
cignetti had to convince them to stay but acting as if allen's final season was devoid of talent is simply untrue and many of those guys were huge pieces to why iu won a title.
devries and co. decided on a total rebuild. had they kept malik, they're probably in the tournament. money is a big factor in the transfer portal whether we want to admit it or not. devries needs to win battles to get the best guys. he did that with wilkerson. given who was poking around with reed bailey, even though we know how he turned out, he won that too.
he's (edit: meaning devries) going to need to do that again, multiple times, if iu is going to be anywhere decent next year. obviously not an ideal scenario.
@gros-louis Agreed. I remembered hearing at the time how well liked Patrick was for the team and that he was very good for the locker room.