Online classes have been going on at Indiana far longer than you might think. Believe it or not the first virtual class was offered at Indiana back in 1989. Through the 1990s and on more online courses were added to the curriculum. In the late 1990s when the Kelley School of Business established Kelley Direct, Indiana received recognition as an MBA program pioneer.@bigmike Online classes didn't exist until recently. The closest thing would have been correspondence courses, I'm not sure if those were ever available to "student athletes" though. Time and technology advances, and I don't have any real issue with student athletes doing mostly online courses as long as they are actually doing them and passing them. I would guess Mendoza was, and there are other examples such as Anthony Leal who finished his undergrad degree early and was working on an MBA. But you never hear about players being ineligble due to grades anymore, so I would guess that either nobody's looking or the players are transferring faster than the suspensions are being imposed, or that they've found ways to have others do the work for them. Online platforms are supposed to authenticate the user but if that's just a password, that's easily circumvented.
Granted, though I was more thinking about the virtual classroom experience with Zoom, Canvas, and similar tech that really exploded during and since the pandemic. It's probably possible now to complete an "on campus" degree and never or very rarely set foot in a classroom.
@gros-louis Kids talk... I have a son that's heading in to his freshman year of college... Quite a lot of different ways some are "getting around" actually doing any of the required class work stuff. This is nothing new, its just quite a lot easier now that they can hide behind the online class structure.
I'm not convinced it's more than a small percentage. Very small percentage. I'd need some pretty specific details to make me believe otherwise, especially as I have more than a few friends in town that are adjuncts who have specifically mentioned having athletes in their classes.@gros-louis Kids talk... I have a son that's heading in to his freshman year of college... Quite a lot of different ways some are "getting around" actually doing any of the required class work stuff. This is nothing new, its just quite a lot easier now that they can hide behind the online class structure.
@gros-louis No matter what percentage you think it is, or what your friend thinks it is... its bigger. But if you're going to use all college athletes as the measure... sure, fairly small percentage. The end of the bench water polo guy probably has a different view of the importance of his class work, than Fernando Mendoza does. I thought it was pretty obvious I was referring to athletes that were aspiring to be pro athletes? That's where this percentage of non classwork participants spikes... and that spike steepens when they're actually elite level athletes. I think the NCAA and Colleges are missing a huge opportunity with those elite players... is my point. And not having more expectations, rules, and teeth to the rules, about classwork, is further eroding the need and importance of the NCAA.
I understood who you were talking about and it's also who my (several, not one) friends who are adjuncts are talking about. Football. Basketball.@gros-louis No matter what percentage you think it is, or what your friend thinks it is... its bigger. But if you're going to use all college athletes as the measure... sure, fairly small percentage. The end of the bench water polo guy probably has a different view of the importance of his class work, than Fernando Mendoza does. I thought it was pretty obvious I was referring to athletes that were aspiring to be pro athletes? That's where this percentage of non classwork participants spikes... and that spike steepens when they're actually elite level athletes. I think the NCAA and Colleges are missing a huge opportunity with those elite players... is my point. And not having more expectations, rules, and teeth to the rules, about classwork, is further eroding the need and importance of the NCAA.
If it is happening at a rate of, say, greater than 5%, then that's on the athletic departments/schools, not on the NCAA. The NCAA has rules (with teeth) about graduation rates and progress towards degrees.
I understood who you were talking about and it's also who my (several, not one) friends who are adjuncts are talking about. Football. Basketball.@gros-louis No matter what percentage you think it is, or what your friend thinks it is... its bigger. But if you're going to use all college athletes as the measure... sure, fairly small percentage. The end of the bench water polo guy probably has a different view of the importance of his class work, than Fernando Mendoza does. I thought it was pretty obvious I was referring to athletes that were aspiring to be pro athletes? That's where this percentage of non classwork participants spikes... and that spike steepens when they're actually elite level athletes. I think the NCAA and Colleges are missing a huge opportunity with those elite players... is my point. And not having more expectations, rules, and teeth to the rules, about classwork, is further eroding the need and importance of the NCAA.
If it is happening at a rate of, say, greater than 5%, then that's on the athletic departments/schools, not on the NCAA. The NCAA has rules (with teeth) about graduation rates and progress towards degrees.
When is the last time you read of a player being academically ineligible?
Just about 2 months ago when FAMU was banned from postseason in football this coming year.I understood who you were talking about and it's also who my (several, not one) friends who are adjuncts are talking about. Football. Basketball.@gros-louis No matter what percentage you think it is, or what your friend thinks it is... its bigger. But if you're going to use all college athletes as the measure... sure, fairly small percentage. The end of the bench water polo guy probably has a different view of the importance of his class work, than Fernando Mendoza does. I thought it was pretty obvious I was referring to athletes that were aspiring to be pro athletes? That's where this percentage of non classwork participants spikes... and that spike steepens when they're actually elite level athletes. I think the NCAA and Colleges are missing a huge opportunity with those elite players... is my point. And not having more expectations, rules, and teeth to the rules, about classwork, is further eroding the need and importance of the NCAA.
If it is happening at a rate of, say, greater than 5%, then that's on the athletic departments/schools, not on the NCAA. The NCAA has rules (with teeth) about graduation rates and progress towards degrees.
When is the last time you read of a player being academically ineligible?
How familiar are you with Teamworks and GradesFirst?
Also, what can you tell me about FERPA and how that might lead to us hearing things like 'undisclosed injury', 'stepped away for personal reasons', 'entered the portal early' or 'undisclosed violation of team rules'?
If DeVries said something I missed it but am wondering if he's done adding players to the roster. Alex Bozich reported 6'10" Ben Winker from Cal State Fullerton joined the team as a walk-on. Solokov appears to be a much better player than Winker.
Just about 2 months ago when FAMU was banned from postseason in football this coming year.I understood who you were talking about and it's also who my (several, not one) friends who are adjuncts are talking about. Football. Basketball.@gros-louis No matter what percentage you think it is, or what your friend thinks it is... its bigger. But if you're going to use all college athletes as the measure... sure, fairly small percentage. The end of the bench water polo guy probably has a different view of the importance of his class work, than Fernando Mendoza does. I thought it was pretty obvious I was referring to athletes that were aspiring to be pro athletes? That's where this percentage of non classwork participants spikes... and that spike steepens when they're actually elite level athletes. I think the NCAA and Colleges are missing a huge opportunity with those elite players... is my point. And not having more expectations, rules, and teeth to the rules, about classwork, is further eroding the need and importance of the NCAA.
If it is happening at a rate of, say, greater than 5%, then that's on the athletic departments/schools, not on the NCAA. The NCAA has rules (with teeth) about graduation rates and progress towards degrees.
When is the last time you read of a player being academically ineligible?
How familiar are you with Teamworks and GradesFirst?
Also, what can you tell me about FERPA and how that might lead to us hearing things like 'undisclosed injury', 'stepped away for personal reasons', 'entered the portal early' or 'undisclosed violation of team rules'?
Not familiar with those at all.
Don't know what Ferpa is and really don't care. I assume that it is some sort of privacy thing and schools can say what you stated but can't say they are academically ineligible?
FAMU was banded from the post season by the NCAA?
But the playoffs are separate from the NCAA, isn't that correct?
NCAA doesn't run CFP (nor is FAMU eligible for the CFP as an FCS team) but players must still meet NCAA eligibility rules in order to compete in the CFP or bowl games FAMU was declared ineligible for the SWAC champ game, Celebration Bowl and FCS playoffs (which the NCAA does run). The ban is a result of multi-year APR score that fell below the required benchmark, so strictly for academic reasons.Just about 2 months ago when FAMU was banned from postseason in football this coming year.I understood who you were talking about and it's also who my (several, not one) friends who are adjuncts are talking about. Football. Basketball.@gros-louis No matter what percentage you think it is, or what your friend thinks it is... its bigger. But if you're going to use all college athletes as the measure... sure, fairly small percentage. The end of the bench water polo guy probably has a different view of the importance of his class work, than Fernando Mendoza does. I thought it was pretty obvious I was referring to athletes that were aspiring to be pro athletes? That's where this percentage of non classwork participants spikes... and that spike steepens when they're actually elite level athletes. I think the NCAA and Colleges are missing a huge opportunity with those elite players... is my point. And not having more expectations, rules, and teeth to the rules, about classwork, is further eroding the need and importance of the NCAA.
If it is happening at a rate of, say, greater than 5%, then that's on the athletic departments/schools, not on the NCAA. The NCAA has rules (with teeth) about graduation rates and progress towards degrees.
When is the last time you read of a player being academically ineligible?
How familiar are you with Teamworks and GradesFirst?
Also, what can you tell me about FERPA and how that might lead to us hearing things like 'undisclosed injury', 'stepped away for personal reasons', 'entered the portal early' or 'undisclosed violation of team rules'?
Not familiar with those at all.
Don't know what Ferpa is and really don't care. I assume that it is some sort of privacy thing and schools can say what you stated but can't say they are academically ineligible?
FAMU was banded from the post season by the NCAA?
But the playoffs are separate from the NCAA, isn't that correct?
NCAA doesn't run CFP (nor is FAMU eligible for the CFP as an FCS team) but players must still meet NCAA eligibility rules in order to compete in the CFP or bowl games FAMU was declared ineligible for the SWAC champ game, Celebration Bowl and FCS playoffs (which the NCAA does run). The ban is a result of multi-year APR score that fell below the required benchmark, so strictly for academic reasons.Just about 2 months ago when FAMU was banned from postseason in football this coming year.I understood who you were talking about and it's also who my (several, not one) friends who are adjuncts are talking about. Football. Basketball.@gros-louis No matter what percentage you think it is, or what your friend thinks it is... its bigger. But if you're going to use all college athletes as the measure... sure, fairly small percentage. The end of the bench water polo guy probably has a different view of the importance of his class work, than Fernando Mendoza does. I thought it was pretty obvious I was referring to athletes that were aspiring to be pro athletes? That's where this percentage of non classwork participants spikes... and that spike steepens when they're actually elite level athletes. I think the NCAA and Colleges are missing a huge opportunity with those elite players... is my point. And not having more expectations, rules, and teeth to the rules, about classwork, is further eroding the need and importance of the NCAA.
If it is happening at a rate of, say, greater than 5%, then that's on the athletic departments/schools, not on the NCAA. The NCAA has rules (with teeth) about graduation rates and progress towards degrees.
When is the last time you read of a player being academically ineligible?
How familiar are you with Teamworks and GradesFirst?
Also, what can you tell me about FERPA and how that might lead to us hearing things like 'undisclosed injury', 'stepped away for personal reasons', 'entered the portal early' or 'undisclosed violation of team rules'?
Not familiar with those at all.
Don't know what Ferpa is and really don't care. I assume that it is some sort of privacy thing and schools can say what you stated but can't say they are academically ineligible?
FAMU was banded from the post season by the NCAA?
But the playoffs are separate from the NCAA, isn't that correct?
so out of how many thousand players ... you got 1 that's it. And FCS doesn't count. There's nothing at stake