@hoosiers94 Wilkerson should be a flashing bill board for elite wing scorers. DeVries has a system that has allowed him to thrive, if not helped him thrive, and CDD gives him ultimate freedom to make plays. Overall though, I agree with what you're saying. I don't think CDD, and the team, did much of anything to excite varying types of elite players, that we're going to need. But I gotta think he'll again get in on some really, really good elite level wing scorers. He HAS to figure out how to land an upper half of the B10 level PG, and some bigs though, along with an elite wing or two. Hard to see how that happens, right now, but I think they will be much better suited, overall, to make serious runs at higher end guys, than they were last year. Staff already working on it, I'm sure. I'm sure they'll have some more money. And Carr should help out a fair bit, with values, and whatever connections he has in the "agent world".
I would be very, very surprised if we're not more talented and athletic next year. But how effective they'll be, if I'm right, is much more of a question. CDD's talent evaluation for his first team was suspect. And then his rigidness with the rotations, in the face of such inconsistent play... also suspect.
@hoosiers94 Maybe one compensating factor is that he brought in seniors for the most part. They are already developed, for the most part. Would we be better able to judge his coaching in regards to player development once he's had some younger players come up through his system?
he's been a head coach for 10 years no?
yes Lamar was a win. But Lamar was going to do that anywhere he went. But he came to IU so I'll give him that one and the perception that will follow. No one considers Tucker.. it's daddy ball.. doesn't count
@hoosiers94 I didn't mention Tucker. But since you did, its very possible Tucker not being on the team could open up some interest by more elite wing and PG playmakers. I would think everyone knew last offseason that Tucker would have the ball in his hands, A LOT. Maybe having him out of the picture leads to a handful more elite guard/wings to seriously consider us, than did last portal season?
And with Lamar...no he wasn't going to go and do what he's done at IU, "anywhere". You don't know that. He was always going to be very good. But he's been better than good, for IU. He's not an elite scorer off the dribble or creating shots for himself. He's not bad at those things. But he's been an elite scorer, for IU, and the offense and system helped him be that, in one of the best conferences in the country. CDD will get credit for that, with many elite level scoring wings, I'm sure.
His challenge will be an elite PG, and bigs.
Good call ... that is the unknown. If he proves to be adept at developing talent at this level, then we might have something. But, based on what I've seen so far, I don't expect him to work any sort of magic in that area. I trust my eyes, and my eyes tell me he's a good mid-major coach. Nothing more.@hoosiers94 Maybe one compensating factor is that he brought in seniors for the most part. They are already developed, for the most part. Would we be better able to judge his coaching in regards to player development once he's had some younger players come up through his system?
@gthomas I now have some similar fears. He's now had 2 seasons under his belt, or will soon have 2 full seasons, coaching high major programs. Both of those seasons he was basically starting the program from scratch, and doing it in one of the top conferences in the country. And he put together two teams that were good enough, or bad enough, depending on your perspective, to be squarely on the NCAA tournament bubble.
And he did it with two very different types of teams, and rosters. His WVU team was pretty physical, and very athletic. They didn't have their two best scorers, for all and most of the season, so he relied on some very aggressive and attacking guards to compete with teams that were more talented and deep than they were. At IU, he put together a different type of roster. Much less overall athleticism, but more skill and shooting, overall. The results, on the macro, have been similar. Top 40 ish NET, bubble team.
Has he learned from these two seasons, and will he change IU's roster, and how they play next year, to become more competitive with upper end high majors? To me, that's the question he needs to solve this offseason. Basically, can he blend his approach from his first two high majors, and target, land, and then utilize some higher caliber bigs? I think if he does those things, he'll start ascending in the B10, and will start becoming a more successful high major coach. If he doesn't focus on it, and/or can't adjust where he needs to, we'll all see it in the portal this offseason, and then obviously next year.
It's why I'm concerned that Sisley's and Ristic's minutes disappeared.@hoosiers94 Maybe one compensating factor is that he brought in seniors for the most part. They are already developed, for the most part. Would we be better able to judge his coaching in regards to player development once he's had some younger players come up through his system?
Sure we played the cupcakes early, but you'd think a couple young guys would improve over the course of a season. If they are getting good coaching.
It would also have been nice for them to get a feel for shooting against major competition defenses. Learn a bit why TD and others shoot lights out in practice but not as much in a game. Learn that before the off-season of preparation, so they train well.
Oh well, coach put his team out to try to win games... Hasn't worked, but he tried.
@openwheel Probably my biggest concern, right now, with CDD is how this season is finishing out. And then how that solidifies another major concern about how very few coaches and players have followed him from stop to stop. Something about his programs, since Drake, leave him and key players not on the same page enough to stick together.
He did win a handful of Valley championships, while at Drake. So its not like he's incapable of having them playing well at ends of seasons. But for whatever reason, they didn't finish well at WVU, aren't at IU, and very, very few players his last year at Drake, or last year at WVU, liked him enough to follow him on to the next stop. Or he didn't like his players enough to bring them along.
My wild guess is he gets locked in to focusing on a handful of guys... he coaches to them, he runs things solely for them, and he doesn't foster a ton of improvement from guys outside the main key guys.
Why didn't Jaden Stone, or Jonathan Powell, or any of the incoming frosh he had slated at WVU... why didn't they even consider IU? Hansberry, I think, followed the assistant coach... but even he, why didn't he consider following DeVries?
All very valid concerns, at this point.
@hoosiers94 I didn't mention Tucker. But since you did, its very possible Tucker not being on the team could open up some interest by more elite wing and PG playmakers. I would think everyone knew last offseason that Tucker would have the ball in his hands, A LOT. Maybe having him out of the picture leads to a handful more elite guard/wings to seriously consider us, than did last portal season?
And with Lamar...no he wasn't going to go and do what he's done at IU, "anywhere". You don't know that. He was always going to be very good. But he's been better than good, for IU. He's not an elite scorer off the dribble or creating shots for himself. He's not bad at those things. But he's been an elite scorer, for IU, and the offense and system helped him be that, in one of the best conferences in the country. CDD will get credit for that, with many elite level scoring wings, I'm sure.
His challenge will be an elite PG, and bigs.
yes he would have. And I could return that serve "you don't know that " to every post on this forum. You love to play the odds argument unless it doesn't favor your comment ..: that dude would have been a scorer anywhere
One of the Creighton kids who played in the NBA, when DeVries was hired here, called him 'the best coach I ever had' . So there's that at least.
Yeah, don't know. Same concerns. Why I'm hoping losing the kid will be addition by subtraction, allow coach to focus on different guys.
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@hoosiers94 Pretty sure I acknowledged he would have been good no matter where he went. You're implying he would have been as good as he is at IU, anywhere he went. To just assume he'd match his production from Sam Houston, jumping all the way up to a school in the B10, in one of the best conferences in the country... well, I think that's way too big of an assumption. In fact, I'm not sure there are any examples of guys that have jumped up that far in competition level, and essentially had the exact same output.
And basically all of these takes, that you return serve on, are responses to over exaggeration posts on your part. He wouldn't have scored 21 points a game, maintained or improved basically every single statistic from his Sam Houston season, anywhere he would have went. That's an absurd take. And I know its absurd because I've watched all the actions and sets that DeVries has run, over and over, every game, to get Lamar the ball in good shooting and scoring situations.
He probably could have played on any number of better teams than IU, and he would have been very good for any of them. But the topic was about recruiting portal kids, and what CDD has done to attract kids this next offseason.
@openwheel Can it be as simple as shortening the bench towards the end of the season, especially under mounting pressure with each loss pushing us into bubble territory and each game becoming more important?
It's why I'm concerned that Sisley's and Ristic's minutes disappeared.@hoosiers94 Maybe one compensating factor is that he brought in seniors for the most part. They are already developed, for the most part. Would we be better able to judge his coaching in regards to player development once he's had some younger players come up through his system?
Sure we played the cupcakes early, but you'd think a couple young guys would improve over the course of a season. If they are getting good coaching.
It would also have been nice for them to get a feel for shooting against major competition defenses. Learn a bit why TD and others shoot lights out in practice but not as much in a game. Learn that before the off-season of preparation, so they train well.
Oh well, coach put his team out to try to win games... Hasn't worked, but he tried.
@hoosiers94 Pretty sure I acknowledged he would have been good no matter where he went. You're implying he would have been as good as he is at IU, anywhere he went. To just assume he'd match his production from Sam Houston, jumping all the way up to a school in the B10, in one of the best conferences in the country... well, I think that's way too big of an assumption. In fact, I'm not sure there are any examples of guys that have jumped up that far in competition level, and essentially had the exact same output.
And basically all of these takes, that you return serve on, are responses to over exaggeration posts on your part. He wouldn't have scored 21 points a game, maintained or improved basically every single statistic from his Sam Houston season, anywhere he would have went. That's an absurd take. And I know its absurd because I've watched all the actions and sets that DeVries has run, over and over, every game, to get Lamar the ball in good shooting and scoring situations.
He probably could have played on any number of better teams than IU, and he would have been very good for any of them. But the topic was about recruiting portal kids, and what CDD has done to attract kids this next offseason.
you don't know that
Well then , if you've watched every set and youve determined it, it must so apologies
@iunorth I suppose it will be telling how many of the underclassmen enter the portal, as an indicator of how they feel about their coach, whether they want to stick with him, etc.