@hoosiers94 why would I criticize? I’m a huge Schertz fan- kid from our school played for him. Got to meet him. Has a great story as well
He just turned down advances from K State. I think he's holding out for the IU job!
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The buyouts are not all paid at once. I haven't seen the balance sheet nor the income statement of the department but they made over 10m in the last fiscal year. Thats plenty of cash flow to cover this situation. That said if they are weighing it based on what it is a year from now .. fine. But it isn't a huge difference in the scheme of things
not to mention it's hard to put a value on what they are losing all the while this shit show continues I mean in all reality they wasted 10m this year and 10 last year ??
Next yr is the yr to evaluate DD. Not enough talent this yr.
and Cig is an anomaly! Can’t compare every coach to him.
it won't be any different..: and why doesn't this year count?
I didn't bring cig up ... I responded to someone's comparison to him.. DD has not moved the needle an inch. And he won't next year. That's just another excuse
The excuse about he didnt know how physical the big ten was is a huge red flag to me. Wasn't it his job to watch tape and know this? It not some secret the big ten is physical league everyone knows this
Yeah that's really unforgivable. If he had just used the money he gave Bailey to sign a competent big we'd probably have a couple more wins and be safely in the field. He really screwed up royally with this roster construction and it may be hard to recover from.
The real reason its going to be hard to recover is the fact we return nothing. We return one guy who plays in dorn and he really is not starter material. NIL will probably go up some but probably not enough outbid the big programs for top guys. He is going to need five starters again and yes he can certainly find more athletics guys just not sure they will be top talent. I dont like NIL at all and what it has done but it is what it is and you have to by able to get the better guys. If we had three or four guys coming back who had played I would probably be much more optimistic.
Cut DeVries some slack. Who could've known that athleticism, size, and speed were necessary for a P5 program?
just curious- who do you want here, that would reasonably come and would do all the things you expect? I would be all on board. I just do not have an answer on who the next coach should be in the future?
Schertz.
LOL. Flavor of the month. How about the guy at Miami (Ohio)?
He's not a flavor of the month. Has been talked about highly for a couple years. Took a garbage D2 program in the middle of nowhere and then just dominated. Flipped ISU. Took over STL and flipped it in year 2. That's 3 bad programs he has quickly turned around. He's a great coach and his personality and is a million times better suited for IU than DeVries.
Cut DeVries some slack. Who could've known that athleticism, size, and speed were necessary for a P5 program?
yeah I mean really... he needs a decade to get things going so we have a lot of time to yield to him.
@ams66 The whole point of all these back and forths the last couple months is that he will, and should, get more than 1 year to prove that "our" worries are wrong. I do think he's going to struggle this portal season, to land true, elite, bigs and athletic length. That doesn't mean he won't get any bigs, actually doesn't mean he can't land an elite big or two. I just think he has a fairly blank track record with elite bigs. I think one of the positive things that has come from this year is how Lamar thrived, and how Tucker showed off his all around game. He should be able to attract really good scorers and wings. Point guards and bigs though, we're gonna need something extra. Money maybe, Carr's NBA and agent connections, Johnson and/or Clark having connections with the right kids... something.
So...while I have these very serious worries about his abilities... I'm still anxious to see how he builds his next roster, and then what he does with it. IF the roster looks similar next year, and the results aren't better than this year... I have to think I'd be all in favor of moving on him. And I'd have Josh Schertz at, or near the top, of my list for the next coach.
The real reason its going to be hard to recover is the fact we return nothing. We return one guy who plays in dorn and he really is not starter material. NIL will probably go up some but probably not enough outbid the big programs for top guys. He is going to need five starters again and yes he can certainly find more athletics guys just not sure they will be top talent. I dont like NIL at all and what it has done but it is what it is and you have to by able to get the better guys. If we had three or four guys coming back who had played I would probably be much more optimistic.
I don't really understand... the roster wasn't good this year, but we want them back? Of the seniors, I'd take Wilkerson, maybe Tucker if he wasn't the coach's son.
And we need to cut the big IU donors a lot of slack.Cut DeVries some slack. Who could've known that athleticism, size, and speed were necessary for a P5 program?
They were taken for a ride.
May be awhile to recover their equilibrium.
@arioznahoosier4554 Completely different dynamic this year, than last. We have 7 current guys we could return (Dorn, Miles, Drake, Harris, Sisley, Ristic, and Amicovic). I don't think anyone knows who will come back, that'll be a very interesting early dynamic to see play out, but I think its safe to assume at least 3-4 of them will. And then we have 3 incoming freshmen. So we have 6-7 guys, probably at a minimum, already established. And overall, I'd say they're probably on the "cheaper" side in terms of NIL spend. Obviously none of them are free, so we have money tied up for those 6-7 guys, but it isn't a big stretch, or reach, or overly optimistic, to say we'll have a fair bit more money available this time around, to target 3-4 higher end guys, and a few rotation level guys.
3-4 upper half of the B10 starters, a couple rotation level guys, then add back in guys like Dorn, Sisley, any of the freshmen that can contribute...
Its not a reach, at all, that we'll have a better roster this year than we did last year.
And there is a hidden value to returning 3-4 guys with them helping in the locker room with the newcomers. Last year we had 0 players that had put on an IU uniform, practiced in Cook Hall, etc... Little things like having a few guys that have had those experiences, can, and usually do, help teams mesh and gel earlier.
Cut DeVries some slack. Who could've known that athleticism, size, and speed were necessary for a P5 program?
Absolutely and its not his fault the portal was so weak. I guess he just picked the one year with a weak portal!!! And even if he stinks next year you gotta give him time to get his guys in here and that takes four years. The good news is we got him cheap and are not paying him top four big ten money so he gets a pass on not knowing the league.
@ams66 The whole point of all these back and forths the last couple months is that he will, and should, get more than 1 year to prove that "our" worries are wrong. I do think he's going to struggle this portal season, to land true, elite, bigs and athletic length. That doesn't mean he won't get any bigs, actually doesn't mean he can't land an elite big or two. I just think he has a fairly blank track record with elite bigs. I think one of the positive things that has come from this year is how Lamar thrived, and how Tucker showed off his all around game. He should be able to attract really good scorers and wings. Point guards and bigs though, we're gonna need something extra. Money maybe, Carr's NBA and agent connections, Johnson and/or Clark having connections with the right kids... something.
So...while I have these very serious worries about his abilities... I'm still anxious to see how he builds his next roster, and then what he does with it. IF the roster looks similar next year, and the results aren't better than this year... I have to think I'd be all in favor of moving on him. And I'd have Josh Schertz at, or near the top, of my list for the next coach.
No matter how bad he does they will not move on.
Archie got 4 years
Woodson got 4 years.
Everyone gets four years at IU.
@arioznahoosier4554 Maybe... I kinda doubt it this time though. CDD likely won't really have anyone of importance protecting him, like Woodson had. And Dolson has shown a willingness, and ability, to pull together money to pay buyouts. He's done it 3 times now in 5 years. 2 years is a very quick trigger, and without knowing what it'd be off the top of my head, I suspect CDD's buyout after next season would be substantial. So maybe Dolson wouldn't pull the trigger that quick. But I think if we miss the NCAAs again next year, he would. If he starts making NCAAs, I agree, he'll get 4 years plus. NOT saying that should be the measuring stick... just saying that's probably what gets him 4 years... an NCAA tournament or two.
@arioznahoosier4554 Maybe... I kinda doubt it this time though. CDD likely won't really have anyone of importance protecting him, like Woodson had. And Dolson has shown a willingness, and ability, to pull together money to pay buyouts. He's done it 3 times now in 5 years. 2 years is a very quick trigger, and without knowing what it'd be off the top of my head, I suspect CDD's buyout after next season would be substantial. So maybe Dolson wouldn't pull the trigger that quick. But I think if we miss the NCAAs again next year, he would. If he starts making NCAAs, I agree, he'll get 4 years plus. NOT saying that should be the measuring stick... just saying that's probably what gets him 4 years... and NCAA tournament or two.
I just think the bar is very very low at IU to keep your job. The famous fred glass speech about competing for national titles was all just fluff. If you can go 21-12 and make the ncaa you will be here a very long time. It just amazes me what we pay though with such low expectations. At this point if you made a sweet sixeteen you would probably be hailed a hero.
@arioznahoosier4554 Well, we haven't had a coach that's had many years in a row of 21-12, and making the NCAAs, since RMK... so we really don't know. 4 years isn't a "long time" either... Obviously I get the sentiment, but I don't think it jives with how Dolson has operated, and/or will likely operate. Firing a coach after 1 year isn't reality... Billy Gillespie got 2 years at Kentucky, for Pete's sake... But I don't think 4 years is any sort of minimum time frame that Dolson will operate by, if CDD continues to miss the NCAA tournament. Pretty much any coach that's missed multiple NCAA tournaments in a row, or even at all, has been fired for it, at IU. Tom Crean got fired 1 year removed from a B10 title, and a Sweet 16, because he missed NCAA tournaments a few years prior, and that made his leash incredibly short. Dolson wanted to move on Woodson, if the consensus accounts are to be believed, after missing 1 NCAA tournament, following 2 years of making it. He fired Archie 1 year after getting the AD job, after Archie missed the NCAAs.
In short...if CDD doesn't make an NCAA tournament, he isn't getting 4 years. He might not even if he does make an NCAA tournament. Woodson made 2 of them, and Dolson would have moved on him after his first missed tournament, if Woodson hadn't been protected.