You're right. So in some way it's probably a good thing, since most of our collapses have been when we stop runnng it with energy....
I wonder if possibly CDD has been hammering the need to "run our offense" and so now the first instinct is to pass the ball and get the offense going. Of course that should not preclude taking a good, open shot if you have it and it's a shot you can make. I don't think even RMK would disagree with that.
With RMK instead of passing up the open shot to dish it out, TD would be pump faking over and over and still not shooting. We had guys that happened to back in the day, just a different way of some guys being afraid to pull the trigger. "Coach wants me to pump fake! *pump*pump*pump* even though we are behind in the game and time is getting low and so the defense ain't fallin' for that because they are in 'do not foul' mode.
@hoosiers94 Google "Tucker DeVries double dip NIL." Very interesting.
Not really. Conspiracies from extremely ignorant WVU fans. I guess you still believe he also faked his injury and intentionally tanked his dad's first power 5 job last year, as well?
Anything coming from WVU fans is rubbish and should be immediately ignored.
As far as this season, his role has clearly changed and the team has looked better since it has. He's clearly not trying to be much of a scorer and more of a facilitator while also being tasked with rebounding and guarding the bigs. Ideally, we'd get more scoring out of him but if he's still cold from 3 I'm not sure what can be expected. He's too slow to consistently drive and opposing team will take that vs him kicking out to Dorn/Wilk all day long.
He had plenty of P5 games last year before the injury against top teams to discredit the mid-major talk, as well. He's a good player, but not an elite scorer unless he's hot. That's pretty obvious.
We need more out of him, but he is doing a lot of little things to help win games right now that are crucial.
yeah his role has somewhat changed but a shooter is a shooter and he is in some kind of slump. So it's separation issue, quickness issue, nagging injury issue? Who knows but if you're going to sit here and tell me he wasn't sold to us as a lights out shooter you're full of it. He sure was ...
as far as double dipping NIL have no idea if that's true. Don't care honestly about that as far as what WVU paid him. What is of concern is what we paid him and what we are getting. Are we a better team with him on the floor yes I'd say we are. And I like the new role he's playing it seems to suit him better. He seemed off last night or tired or something. He has disappeared in several games for minutes at a time.
is he top 20 in Big Ten. I'd say top 30/35. But man if you bought what the PR train sold us in the offseason he's a Naismith award contender
@mushroomgod Hmmm... not sure... but he's averaging 13, 5 and 4, roughly, against the B10 and LVille and Kentucky. He has almost a 3:1 assist to turnover ratio in those games. And its visually obvious our team's level of play drops down a level when he goes to the bench. He's not "Fat and slow". And its not like he's playing awful, or even bad, all around basketball. He's just not scoring like he did at the lower levels. And that probably IS because he's not athletic enough to create as much space and/or get effective shots off as much as he used to be. And I'm sure he's pressing a little because of that, and that's effecting his open looks too. The nice thing, as someone that follows the entire game, is he isn't letting it effect other areas where he can help us be effective.
So... top 20... maybe not...but I'm sure he's in that conversation. And if he finds his shot a little more the last 7 games, and then in the B10 tournament... to go with the all around numbers he's already put up... he'll likely make one of the All conference teams.
I did not say he is fat and slow. I don't disagree with that, but I'm too good a guy to say it (hehe). I'll agree he's a very good basketball player. Are you old enough to remember Jim Thomas who played for the '81 Hoosiers? Completely different kind of player, but similar in that he made a great contribution as a #5/6 player on an excellent team, and probably wasn't even 2nd team ABT. If TD can continue to play unselfishly he can be that kind of player. Unfortunately he played half of the year tying to be the star.
@hoosiers94 Google "Tucker DeVries double dip NIL." Very interesting.
Not really. Conspiracies from extremely ignorant WVU fans. I guess you still believe he also faked his injury and intentionally tanked his dad's first power 5 job last year, as well?
Anything coming from WVU fans is rubbish and should be immediately ignored.
As far as this season, his role has clearly changed and the team has looked better since it has. He's clearly not trying to be much of a scorer and more of a facilitator while also being tasked with rebounding and guarding the bigs. Ideally, we'd get more scoring out of him but if he's still cold from 3 I'm not sure what can be expected. He's too slow to consistently drive and opposing team will take that vs him kicking out to Dorn/Wilk all day long.
He had plenty of P5 games last year before the injury against top teams to discredit the mid-major talk, as well. He's a good player, but not an elite scorer unless he's hot. That's pretty obvious.
We need more out of him, but he is doing a lot of little things to help win games right now that are crucial.
yeah his role has somewhat changed but a shooter is a shooter and he is in some kind of slump. So it's separation issue, quickness issue, nagging injury issue? Who knows but if you're going to sit here and tell me he wasn't sold to us as a lights out shooter you're full of it. He sure was ...
as far as double dipping NIL have no idea if that's true. Don't care honestly about that as far as what WVU paid him. What is of concern is what we paid him and what we are getting. Are we a better team with him on the floor yes I'd say we are. And I like the new role he's playing it seems to suit him better. He seemed off last night or tired or something. He has disappeared in several games for minutes at a time.
is he top 20 in Big Ten. I'd say top 30/35. But man if you bought what the PR train sold us in the offseason he's a Naismith award contender
I agree with that last sentence......and too bad he was presented that way. He was mentioned in the same space as the kid Iowa got. No way no how he was ever as good.
You're right. So in some way it's probably a good thing, since most of our collapses have been when we stop runnng it with energy....
I wonder if possibly CDD has been hammering the need to "run our offense" and so now the first instinct is to pass the ball and get the offense going. Of course that should not preclude taking a good, open shot if you have it and it's a shot you can make. I don't think even RMK would disagree with that.
With RMK instead of passing up the open shot to dish it out, TD would be pump faking over and over and still not shooting. We had guys that happened to back in the day, just a different way of some guys being afraid to pull the trigger. "Coach wants me to pump fake! *pump*pump*pump* even though we are behind in the game and time is getting low and so the defense ain't fallin' for that because they are in 'do not foul' mode.
We could use 3x more shot fakes on this team...also, throw in a few pass fakes while you're at it.
We could use 3x more shot fakes on this team...also, throw in a few pass fakes while you're at it.
Probably true. We need to draw more fouls. We have several pretty good free throw shooters.
yeah his role has somewhat changed but a shooter is a shooter and he is in some kind of slump. So it's separation issue, quickness issue, nagging injury issue? Who knows but if you're going to sit here and tell me he wasn't sold to us as a lights out shooter you're full of it. He sure was ...
Sold by whom? Sites that need IU fans money to exist? Sure. I mean, this really isn't anything special to TD.
Every player IU has brought in the past 20 years has been over-hyped outside of maybe Gordon, Zeller and JHS.
Romeo, Lander, the Movement. Heck, the old peegs clowns hyped up Gelon at one point. Its par for the course.
That's a fact. Both seem to be weaknesses.We could use 3x more shot fakes on this team...also, throw in a few pass fakes while you're at it.
that might be but it doesn't change anything
when asked who's our guy who's our leader who's our number 1. I'll bet the answer was Tucker.
What is everyone's opinion about the new guys coming in next yr? Is it an upgrade in n talent? Also we could hit on some portal guys to help as well. So the sky is not falling I like the style of ball this team plays. It's just a lack of talented needed.
While I regarded God as a tyrant I thought my sin a trifle; But when I knew Him to be my Father, then I mourned that I could ever have kicked against Him. When I thought God was hard, I found it easy to sin; but when I found God so kind, so good, so overflowing with compassion, I smote upon my breast to think that I could ever have rebelled against One who loved me so, and sought my good.” C. H. Spurgeon
@hoosiers94 He's not our leader? I think he probably is one of them, for sure. If not THE leader. Lamar obviously is our best player, and shoulders the scoring load night in and night out. And obviously I get your point, and sentiment. I expected him to score more easily than he has shown to be able to. I think most probably did. He obviously did that for Drake, but he also showed it against high major competition, both at Drake and WVU.
But his value was always also going to be as a playmaker, and an all around contributor. To the point when we got Wilkerson, and Dorn, and Conerway... there were lots of conversations about how Tucker would do well with other scorers around him to distribute to. He's done that part, very well. He just hasn't scored like most expected him to.
Like most of our disagreements... its probably not actually much of a disagreement. I just push back at the levels that you and others take it to. He's still a very good, B10 level, forward. But you are right, he's not quite the level of player I expected him to be. Who cares? He's DeVries son. He would have been a 1-2 million guy on the open market, I'm sure. This one isn't like what maybe the Bailey situation was. CDD was always going to be bringing Tucker with him. It wasn't a decision. It wasn't an evaluation issue. And I'd be pretty surprised if he wasn't actually getting less than what he would have gotten on the open portal market.
13,5,4... with the attention he gets. Is pretty damn good.
@vanpastorman A quick comment... I think Moody, Karvala, and Manhertz are more talented than most players on our current roster... when they were incoming freshmen. Are they going to be as good, or impactful, as guys like Wilkerson, DeVries, and Dorn have been, as upperclassmen... kinda doubt it. But they're longer, bouncier, and more athletic. And overall, more talented than most of our current guys. We'll need guys like Dorn, Sisley, Miles, to come back, and to get some more Wilkerson like portal guys, to play with them, so we don't have to rely on them to lead us or anything. But they're going to be great additions to the program. And all 3 of them will probably compete for rotation minutes next year.
Not that it was one sided and it didn't change the outcome of the game, however, college basketball OFFICIATING IS TERRIBLE !!! It is time to hire full time officials, that are fully trained, and consistent game-to-game. The ability level of the players on the floor has far exceeded the officials ability to keep up with the action and make accurate calls. There were a ton of missed calls and/or calls that should never have been made tonight. One guy gets mugged and it's a play-on, the next minute a dude straight up and down gets called for contact.
@iu2win B10 officials to boot. So inconsistent. Hoiberg starting to beat the drum for changes on how B10 officials are calling games. The rules are supposed to allow more for freedom of movement. That's the trend in basketball everywhere in the world. Its very possible that B10 officials still allowing varying forms of rugby style defense, is not helping the top teams come March.