Stevens and Otzelberger have already removed themselves from consideration from the North Carolina job. And will Wade is going back to LSU when that job opens up
I just don't see Dusty to UNC? He's killing it at Michigan and has ample resources, so why would he leave? Plus, he'll probably get an extension.
Don't see it being Donovan either. I know the Bulls suck, but would he resign mid-season? Moreover, he's never coached in the NIL era.
Lloyd? Or is he among those who've already declined interest in another job?
It's probably someone who hasn't been mentioned among the alleged "main" candidates. I don't think it's a real possibility for many reasons, but watch it be McCollum.
@gthomas Donovan signed a multi-year extension with the Bulls back in July.
Similar set of no-chance candidates we heard during the last IU search. I rarely watch other teams' podcasts, but I checked out a few credible (I think) UNC ones. They don't necessarily believe Donovan is a sure thing, but they seem to think there's a pretty good chance. And they think May is a real possibility. Whatever. DM is in a great situation and, I bet, is about to get another raise/extension.@gthomas Donovan signed a multi-year extension with the Bulls back in July.
How many supposed candidates have already said, "I'm not interested"? UNC is still a Top 5 job, but it's not what it once was.
@gthomas Agreed and with the portal it's a new world. A good coach can build a winning team quickly anywhere that is willing to support it and let him do it. Cignetti proved it. HIstory as a "Blue Blood" still matters but not like it used to.
@hoosiers94 So let me get this straight. You think we did NOT offer Brad and or Jay a boatload of money? That’s two, who else would you have offered the bank to?
@hoosiers94 We've swung... but we've missed. We'll see if they can connect any different than we have. Hubert Davis being their coach for 6 years is a sign they've had similar issues luring away big names...just like Kentucky did, like Louisville did, like Arizona did... all those schools went big game hunting, they all had to settle for less than what they went after. Its worked out quite well for one of them, very blah for the other 2. UNC, with Jordan, could be a different animal though. We'll see.
because we hold back. We don't go all in ... we don't drive the brinks truck up
Can you share what our offers were to each candidate relative to what other schools are offering them?
Why do you suppose our approach is so much different in football where we have the or one of the highest paid coaches? That doesn’t seem to make sense…
I believe we made a sizable offer to Stevens prior to Archie and perhaps prior to Woodson. I'd bet anything we didn't meet all the asks he likely asked for or that he would have found necessary to make that move. We left pieces out. I don't believe we made the same offer to Jay Wright. I think we likely loosely made nuances to his agent etc. but didn't press hard.
I can tell you with certainty we didn't offer or even contact Scott Drew. I can list many of these coaches but you know we don't go after Pitino , or Self or Otz or May etc. not with the whole Brinks truck. And you may say why we would go after Self or a coach firmly planted , why not. What do we have to lose. The problem is IU keeps wanting to take a knife to a gun fight.
He doesn't know and he just comes up with a narrative that fits his opinion. Very few people know the true details of our coaching searches and he's not one of them.@hoosiers94 We've swung... but we've missed. We'll see if they can connect any different than we have. Hubert Davis being their coach for 6 years is a sign they've had similar issues luring away big names...just like Kentucky did, like Louisville did, like Arizona did... all those schools went big game hunting, they all had to settle for less than what they went after. Its worked out quite well for one of them, very blah for the other 2. UNC, with Jordan, could be a different animal though. We'll see.
because we hold back. We don't go all in ... we don't drive the brinks truck up
Can you share what our offers were to each candidate relative to what other schools are offering them?
Why do you suppose our approach is so much different in football where we have the or one of the highest paid coaches? That doesn’t seem to make sense…
He doesn't know and he just comes up with a narrative that fits his opinion. Very few people know the true details of our coaching searches and he's not one of them.@hoosiers94 We've swung... but we've missed. We'll see if they can connect any different than we have. Hubert Davis being their coach for 6 years is a sign they've had similar issues luring away big names...just like Kentucky did, like Louisville did, like Arizona did... all those schools went big game hunting, they all had to settle for less than what they went after. Its worked out quite well for one of them, very blah for the other 2. UNC, with Jordan, could be a different animal though. We'll see.
because we hold back. We don't go all in ... we don't drive the brinks truck up
Can you share what our offers were to each candidate relative to what other schools are offering them?
Why do you suppose our approach is so much different in football where we have the or one of the highest paid coaches? That doesn’t seem to make sense…
no shit. Neither are you Einstein. Hence the words "I believe" and "I'll bet". Those are your clues to me using my intuition. Maybe go back to school and learn the inflections of words of the English language . I dare say no one on this site knows all the details It's my common sense and gut telling me these things based on our history of fumbling and making poor hires over the last 30 years. Not real hard to put it together... maybe for you I'll try to slow it down. But one I do know for certain is about Scott Drew. They didn't reach out at all.
@hoosiers94 So let me get this straight. You think we did NOT offer Brad and or Jay a boatload of money? That’s two, who else would you have offered the bank to?
To have been a candidate for the IU job, Stevens or Wright would’ve needed to express interest in it. Neither did. It didn’t matter what we offered (and we didn’t “offer” one of them anything), neither of them were coming to IU.
I can list many of these coaches but you know we don't go after Pitino , or Self or Otz or May etc. not with the whole Brinks truck.
Like this?
"I can list many of these coaches but you know we don't go after Pitino , or Self or Otz or May etc. not with the whole Brinks truck."
@hoosiers94 The "smoke" for the last two coaching searches, was that CDD engaged Stevens in both searches, and Stevens, Wright, and Donovan in the Woodson search. There's also a lot of smoke that he engaged May, last year, before retaining Woodson for his final year. I get your gut feelings on how all of those vetting exercises went. But a variable that played roles in all the searches, and especially the CDD hire, was time. I would be pretty surprised, with regards to Stevens, if he didn't basically offer him the keys to the IU bball kingdom. But 1) Stevens has never really shown obvious interest in getting back in to coaching in college, so at some point, you need to take the hint 2)He couldn't wait to go through all the potential check marks that it would have taken to pull Stevens back to college. Portal was opening. Other major jobs were open, and were hiring, so every day he would have waited, he'd have risked missing out on guys that would actually take IU seriously. This is not as simple as locking in on 2 or 3 guys like Stevens or Donovan, and just "making it happen", whatever it takes... If it were, either or both of those guys would be coaching college right now at places like Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Arizona, UConn... all schools that have had coaching openings since Archie. At some point, reality should take over, and you should acknowledge that the likely main reason guys like Stevens, Donovan, Wright, aren't our head coach right now, is because they weren't interested in coaching in college, at all. Once you accept that reality... then the process and the searches should make a little more sense.
And him not at least talking with Drew is a head scratcher, for sure. I don't think Drew is all that great of a coach. But with his ties to Indiana, and the couple of years of high level success he showed a few years ago at Baylor, he should have been worth a talk, I would think. Drew is not very well liked, by a decent chunk of people that I'm sure were, at a minimum, in Dolson's ear, during the searches. But again, its odd he didn't even talk to him.
@hoosiers94 So let me get this straight. You think we did NOT offer Brad and or Jay a boatload of money? That’s two, who else would you have offered the bank to?
To have been a candidate for the IU job, Stevens or Wright would’ve needed to express interest in it. Neither did. It didn’t matter what we offered (and we didn’t “offer” one of them anything), neither of them were coming to IU.
Honestly that seems like the most likely answer. They just weren't interested in coaching college ball any more. If they were, we would likely have agreed to terms. We are not a small school with no ability to put a compelling offer together.