@boogie I have no idea what or who Murt is. Apparently there is a history or language that I haven't been privy to. And no Mayor Sue did not ask me to be here. There seems to be about half a dozen contributors to this website that are either incels or old men. None of whom have offered any help in regards to Rose Bowl tickets. And none of whom will make a difference in any races.
Welcome back, Murt.
Reminds me of Hurryin’ saying he’s not Hickory.@boogie I have no idea what or who Murt is. Apparently there is a history or language that I haven't been privy to. And no Mayor Sue did not ask me to be here. There seems to be about half a dozen contributors to this website that are either incels or old men. None of whom have offered any help in regards to Rose Bowl tickets. And none of whom will make a difference in any races.
Welcome back, Murt.
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As you know, both were politicians and both had the healing of the nation on their minds. I'm pretty sure that drove them much more than any personal issues with Lee. Lincoln never saw the disgraceful way Lee argued his case for posterity after the war; Grant was probably drunk most of the time, but I don't think he had as high an opinion on Lee as you seem to:Grant,Lincoln, and maybe Scott showed more respect to Lee than you do. And those guys lived the war with Lee as their enemy.
Grant, Lincoln, and Scott weren't erecting Lee statues. There's a difference between (grudging) respect and lionizing.
[The drunk Grant trope came out of Lost Cause historiography. Few historians give it much credence anymore.]
@boogie I have no idea what or who Murt is. Apparently there is a history or language that I haven't been privy to. And no Mayor Sue did not ask me to be here. There seems to be about half a dozen contributors to this website that are either incels or old men. None of whom have offered any help in regards to Rose Bowl tickets. And none of whom will make a difference in any races.
When I was your age I trudged a mile uphill, through three feet of snow for my ‘68 Rose Bowl tickets. I didn’t expect help from old men. ( there were no incels in those days). That’s the trouble with the younger generation, they feel too entitled to things that require hard work.
Good luck with your quest for tickets.
tGrant resigned from the military in 1854 due to “excessive drinking.”As you know, both were politicians and both had the healing of the nation on their minds. I'm pretty sure that drove them much more than any personal issues with Lee. Lincoln never saw the disgraceful way Lee argued his case for posterity after the war; Grant was probably drunk most of the time, but I don't think he had as high an opinion on Lee as you seem to:Grant,Lincoln, and maybe Scott showed more respect to Lee than you do. And those guys lived the war with Lee as their enemy.
Grant, Lincoln, and Scott weren't erecting Lee statues. There's a difference between (grudging) respect and lionizing.
[The drunk Grant trope came out of Lost Cause historiography. Few historians give it much credence anymore.]
Didnt you once post on this very forum, once a drunk always a drunk?
Grant resigned from the military in 1854 due to “excessive drinking.”
Didnt you once post on this very forum, once a drunk always a drunk?
His early drinking was an issue, as were other aspects of his personal life early on. That's what the Lost Cause crowd glommed on to and perpetuated as having continued throughout his life. Most Grant scholars now don't find any evidence to back that up.
If I ever said anything like that, it would have been only in the context of a particular individual in particular circumstances, as I know it's not universally true.
Grant resigned from the military in 1854 due to “excessive drinking.”
Didnt you once post on this very forum, once a drunk always a drunk?
His early drinking was an issue, as were other aspects of his personal life early on. That's what the Lost Cause crowd glommed on to and perpetuated as having continued throughout his life. Most Grant scholars now don't find any evidence to back that up.
If I ever said anything like that, it would have been only in the context of a particular individual in particular circumstances, as I know it's not universally true.
translation: when it serves my purposes I will say it about Hegseth. But I will not attribute it to others when it is inconvenient for my argument.
What a clown you are.
@co-hoosier “Hard work” 🤣🤣🤣. Oh honey. You don’t have any what hard work looks like. I’m a self-made stay at home Carmel wife. It was basically that or a CEO path. I chose right. And tickets are available if you want to be part of an IU tour group with buses and fan shop outfits.
No thank you. 🤷♀️
Single with a sugar daddy?Oh sweetie . . .what does “self made” stay at home even mean?
Thats simply untrue. Whatever you’ve read on this score is wrong or you drew too strong a conclusion from itMost Grant scholars now don't find any evidence to back that up.
https://ccwebster.medium.com/the-curious-case-of-successful-drunks-186b3ec35f61
https://www.rbhayes.org/research/hayes-historical-journal-the-problem-of-ulysses-s.-grant/
@co-hoosier “Hard work” 🤣🤣🤣. Oh honey. You don’t have any what hard work looks like. I’m a self-made stay at home Carmel wife. It was basically that or a CEO path. I chose right. And tickets are available if you want to be part of an IU tour group with buses and fan shop outfits.
No thank you. 🤷♀️
Def McM.
- Yes, He Drank Heavily: Grant enjoyed whiskey and had documented episodes of heavy drinking, including an infamous binge before the Vicksburg campaign.
- Functioning Alcoholic: He was a "functioning alcoholic," meaning he could drink to excess but also stop for long periods and remain effective, a key factor in his military success, as noted by Hayes Historical Journal.
- Rarely Impaired Key Decisions: While rumors circulated, evidence suggests he didn't make major military or political decisions while drunk; he often refused alcohol when duty called, notes HistoryNet and National Museum of Civil War Medicine.
- Smear Campaigns Exaggerated It: Political enemies and "Lost Cause" Southerners magnified his drinking issues through rumors and propaganda, creating a lasting myth, explains History is Now Magazine.
- Struggle & Mastery: Many agree he struggled with alcohol, but also, as Shortform mentions, achieved mastery over it by the end of his life, a significant personal victory, says HistoryNet.
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