One reason that the left and right (used to?) agree upon:
A portion of the right wants to throw the creedal country idea out the window. This is an understandable backlash against unfettered immigration by those who are antagonistic towards the creed in question. But is alas, misguided.
The left thinks the creedal country idea inherently allows for absurd immigration and amnesty policy. They're antagonistic towards those who actually do have deep ancestral roots in America. Which is also misguided.
Something happened this week that I believe many probably missed in the daily deluge of our inflammatory news cycle. Robert E Lee's statue was quietly removed from the U.S. Capitol. Celebrated by some like Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia of all places. It boggles the mind that a Virginian could be celebratory about the removal of Robert E Lee from a place of honor.
A cursory look at Lee's history reveals a complicated and in most respects admirable figure. But he has to be removed because racism or something. The dumbing down of our politics to the nth degree.
This is the kind of ancestral antagonism I speak of. There is no need for it. If the only thing you associate with Lee is the racist bogeyman your are an idiot and don't deserve a voice in our body politic. And shit like that inherently creates a White identarian backlash.
One reason that the left and right (used to?) agree upon:
https://twitter.com/adamkjohnston/status/1843434782858063923?s=46
I hope we're not different. It would mean we're for open borders. The last time the amount of foreign born population was close to this high the country drastically cut back on it. Hopefully, history repeats.
The problem this time is a bunch of naive (putting it kindly) leftist have been brainwashed into thinking ICE and/or border control are the problems. I am not hopeful, but Trump did win in 24, so there is some hope.
Edit: lol...I forgot to answer your original question on why America is different now. If leftists win this time and we don't cut back. Then I think it's due to media propaganda (best guess). The way you phrase the question shows how powerful it is. Sorry, but it was backwards.
@snarlcakes Controlled immigration to meet certain needs is justified. The left are children. They shouldn't be allowed to run anything more than a library until they grow up. We have needs that immigration can satisfy. Open borders serves no purpose. Our cities can't accommodate them. They bring little as they need more than they provide. The largest Covid fraud came from Somalis. In Carmel we've built 5600 new apartments in the last three years. What would the community look like if we filled them with Afghans or immigrants from other places whose culture doesn't mesh with ours. Like all things immigration requires thought and planning. With the Democrat party you can count on neither. Just feelings.
Yeah, I think one way you can frame it is that many on the left believe accepting the creed is sufficient, while most on the right believe it is just necessary.A portion of the right wants to throw the creedal country idea out the window. This is an understandable backlash against unfettered immigration by those who are antagonistic towards the creed in question. But is alas, misguided.
The left thinks the creedal country idea inherently allows for absurd immigration and amnesty policy. They're antagonistic towards those who actually do have deep ancestral roots in America. Which is also misguided.
But a growing chunk of people on the left reject the creed as racist or some other -ist, while a growing number on the right don't care for creed, just ancestry.
Now, of course, you'd have to reach some kind of agreement on what the creed is. At this point in time, the biggest sticking point might be: do you have to support capitalism?
OMG, you are the anti-Bloom. This is awesome.What would the community look like if we filled them with Afghans or immigrants from other places whose culture doesn't mesh with ours.
Just add to the Afghans or immigrants other ethnicities who don't share Carmel "culture" and it's perfect.
Benedict Arnold was a great patriot and Revolutionary War hero, before he wasn't. Should we have statues of him up in our capitol, too?Something happened this week that I believe many probably missed in the daily deluge of our inflammatory news cycle. Robert E Lee's statue was quietly removed from the U.S. Capitol. Celebrated by some like Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia of all places. It boggles the mind that a Virginian could be celebratory about the removal of Robert E Lee from a place of honor.
A cursory look at Lee's history reveals a complicated and in most respects admirable figure. But he has to be removed because racism or something. The dumbing down of our politics to the nth degree.
This is the kind of ancestral antagonism I speak of. There is no need for it. If the only thing you associate with Lee is the racist bogeyman your are an idiot and don't deserve a voice in our body politic. And shit like that inherently creates a White identarian backlash.
Benedict Arnold was a great patriot and Revolutionary War hero, before he wasn't. Should we have statues of him up in our capitol, too?Something happened this week that I believe many probably missed in the daily deluge of our inflammatory news cycle. Robert E Lee's statue was quietly removed from the U.S. Capitol. Celebrated by some like Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia of all places. It boggles the mind that a Virginian could be celebratory about the removal of Robert E Lee from a place of honor.
A cursory look at Lee's history reveals a complicated and in most respects admirable figure. But he has to be removed because racism or something. The dumbing down of our politics to the nth degree.
This is the kind of ancestral antagonism I speak of. There is no need for it. If the only thing you associate with Lee is the racist bogeyman your are an idiot and don't deserve a voice in our body politic. And shit like that inherently creates a White identarian backlash.
For myriad reasons the two are not in any way comparable. I don’t even think it’s fair to view Lee as a traitor.
One reason that the left and right (used to?) agree upon:
https://twitter.com/adamkjohnston/status/1843434782858063923?s=46
I hope we're not different. It would mean we're for open borders. The last time the amount of foreign born population was close to this high the country drastically cut back on it. Hopefully, history repeats.
The problem this time is a bunch of naive (putting it kindly) leftist have been brainwashed into thinking ICE and/or border control are the problems. I am not hopeful, but Trump did win in 24, so there is some hope.
Edit: lol...I forgot to answer your original question on why America is different now. If leftists win this time and we don't cut back. Then I think it's due to media propaganda (best guess). The way you phrase the question shows how powerful it is. Sorry, but it was backwards.
America is different now because of several reasons:
1. We are in the beginning of another work place revolution that is beginning to impact employment. Sectors of the workforce that used to be untouchable are now starting to feel the pinch and sectors of the economy (like tech) are importing a bunch of 3rd world brown people for jobs with a fairly high unemployment rate, particularly among new grads. Those third worlders have a tendency to show their ass when challenged (see Ramaswamy forever destroying his political career with his "stupid Americans" tweets) and that just adds to the friction. We can't guarantee the economy that can continue to support a bunch of new mouths, particularly "other" new mouths. People are inherently tribal and those tribal tendencies tend to be much more pronounced when starting to face scarcity.
2. We used to be a multi ethnic monoculture. Somewhere along the line someone got the idea in their head that we had to be multicultural. That doesn't work. Americanism used to be strictly enforced. You want to come here and earn money? Cool, here is what it costs, most of your ties to the old country. We won't cater to your cultural sensitivities because you are an American. If you want to be Mexican or German or Chinese, get back on the f-ing boat. That isn't the case anymore. Now we are everything to everyone which means we are nothing. The US has been turned into an economic zone. Americans are just the old shopping mall employees who the bosses use for labor. We shop at the "company" store and pay dues that are increasingly used by new workers coming from the town over who work for $.50 cheaper an hour. The massimmigration with no cultural ties means that the foreigners coming over aren't viewed as Americans by anyone, including themselves.
3. And we got here by destroying all of our secular "heroes". We have deconstructed pretty much every founding father and every founding story into evil oppressor colonial imperialists. We have stripped the soul out of everything. It was the cultural equivalent of tearing out all of the old mom and pop stores in the classic downtown square and replacing them with a strip mall anchored by Walmart. There is no community anymore, only an economic zone. When you are the Mom and Pop people, these newbies coming in are representative of the destruction of what you once knew. They aren't new neighbors, they are invaders, economic competitors. And again, getting back to basic human psychology, they don't look like you, they don't talk like you, they (in many cases) don't share your religious cultural worldview, and they don't share your views on morality.
4. Not an exhaustive list, but my final point that was somewhat touched on up above: all of these new people that are brought in get exposed to a growing political movement that portrays the original inhabitants as those oppressors and imperialists and the inheritors of an illegitimate political and cultural nation. So not only does we not force them to assimilate, we flat out encourage them to be antagonistic towards everything that made this place the type of country they wanted to come extract wealth from in the first place.
And that is prejudiced and it is racist and it is bigoted and all the other things that people would want to label it, but it is how every country on the planet operates without criticism except for the first world countries that happened to be predominantly white. They are expected to surrender their cultures to the horde. I say that we expel quite a bit of the new folks and strictly control who comes in from here forward. We can be multi ethnic again and open the doors to other ethnicities but it has to be under the old rules. When you come here you aren't whatever you were, you are American now. That secular cultural zeitgeist should be vigorously enforced. Thomas Jefferson was a good dude from the perspective of how this country was built and I don't give a f--- that he owned slaves. It is ok to have a national mythology. We need to stop apologizing for who we are. Anyone that wants us to apologize probably doesn't belong here anyway.
The America Reagan referenced no longer exists. It’s been washed out by “warts and all” teaching of US history. Recall our discussion about the Declaration of Independence? I think that is one of the most important documents in world history concerning the nature of government. You insisted that in order to teach about and understand the declaration, we must also teach that TJ banged a slave. I think that is a useless distraction. (If I got your position wrong, I’m sure you will post a correction).
One reason that the left and right (used to?) agree upon:
https://twitter.com/adamkjohnston/status/1843434782858063923?s=46
I hope we're not different. It would mean we're for open borders. The last time the amount of foreign born population was close to this high the country drastically cut back on it. Hopefully, history repeats.
The problem this time is a bunch of naive (putting it kindly) leftist have been brainwashed into thinking ICE and/or border control are the problems. I am not hopeful, but Trump did win in 24, so there is some hope.
Edit: lol...I forgot to answer your original question on why America is different now. If leftists win this time and we don't cut back. Then I think it's due to media propaganda (best guess). The way you phrase the question shows how powerful it is. Sorry, but it was backwards.
America is different now because of several reasons:
1. We are in the beginning of another work place revolution that is beginning to impact employment. Sectors of the workforce that used to be untouchable are now starting to feel the pinch and sectors of the economy (like tech) are importing a bunch of 3rd world brown people for jobs with a fairly high unemployment rate, particularly among new grads. Those third worlders have a tendency to show their ass when challenged (see Ramaswamy forever destroying his political career with his "stupid Americans" tweets) and that just adds to the friction. We can't guarantee the economy that can continue to support a bunch of new mouths, particularly "other" new mouths. People are inherently tribal and those tribal tendencies tend to be much more pronounced when starting to face scarcity.
2. We used to be a multi ethnic monoculture. Somewhere along the line someone got the idea in their head that we had to be multicultural. That doesn't work. Americanism used to be strictly enforced. You want to come here and earn money? Cool, here is what it costs, most of your ties to the old country. We won't cater to your cultural sensitivities because you are an American. If you want to be Mexican or German or Chinese, get back on the f-ing boat. That isn't the case anymore. Now we are everything to everyone which means we are nothing. The US has been turned into an economic zone. Americans are just the old shopping mall employees who the bosses use for labor. We shop at the "company" store and pay dues that are increasingly used by new workers coming from the town over who work for $.50 cheaper an hour. The massimmigration with no cultural ties means that the foreigners coming over aren't viewed as Americans by anyone, including themselves.
3. And we got here by destroying all of our secular "heroes". We have deconstructed pretty much every founding father and every founding story into evil oppressor colonial imperialists. We have stripped the soul out of everything. It was the cultural equivalent of tearing out all of the old mom and pop stores in the classic downtown square and replacing them with a strip mall anchored by Walmart. There is no community anymore, only an economic zone. When you are the Mom and Pop people, these newbies coming in are representative of the destruction of what you once knew. They aren't new neighbors, they are invaders, economic competitors. And again, getting back to basic human psychology, they don't look like you, they don't talk like you, they (in many cases) don't share your religious cultural worldview, and they don't share your views on morality.
4. Not an exhaustive list, but my final point that was somewhat touched on up above: all of these new people that are brought in get exposed to a growing political movement that portrays the original inhabitants as those oppressors and imperialists and the inheritors of an illegitimate political and cultural nation. So not only does we not force them to assimilate, we flat out encourage them to be antagonistic towards everything that made this place the type of country they wanted to come extract wealth from in the first place.
And that is prejudiced and it is racist and it is bigoted and all the other things that people would want to label it, but it is how every country on the planet operates without criticism except for the first world countries that happened to be predominantly white. They are expected to surrender their cultures to the horde. I say that we expel quite a bit of the new folks and strictly control who comes in from here forward. We can be multi ethnic again and open the doors to other ethnicities but it has to be under the old rules. When you come here you aren't whatever you were, you are American now. That secular cultural zeitgeist should be vigorously enforced. Thomas Jefferson was a good dude from the perspective of how this country was built and I don't give a f--- that he owned slaves. It is ok to have a national mythology. We need to stop apologizing for who we are. Anyone that wants us to apologize probably doesn't belong here anyway.
Describing the U.S. as an economic zone is spot on. The people living here are interchangeable in the eyes of a majority of our leaders. They're just concerned with preserving our capital markets and their own wealth. Everything else is just details. i think Globalization (innovation) and fiat money has allowed them to detach themselves from their own constituents more than any government in history.
In the past they would have ran out of gold a long time ago and/or had a spear stuck through them if they didn't start listening. Not anymore. They just print money and send it to whomever votes for them or to buy time until the new immigrants can vote for them.
Interestingly, they have also somehow managed to manipulate a significant portion of their populace into cheering for the end of their own race and being ok with the invasion of their country. It's fascinating to watch unfold. Whatever you do don't question it..... something.......something.....we're all immigrants....blah blah blah......it's written on the Statue of Liberty.
Benedict Arnold was a great patriot and Revolutionary War hero, before he wasn't. Should we have statues of him up in our capitol, too?Something happened this week that I believe many probably missed in the daily deluge of our inflammatory news cycle. Robert E Lee's statue was quietly removed from the U.S. Capitol. Celebrated by some like Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia of all places. It boggles the mind that a Virginian could be celebratory about the removal of Robert E Lee from a place of honor.
A cursory look at Lee's history reveals a complicated and in most respects admirable figure. But he has to be removed because racism or something. The dumbing down of our politics to the nth degree.
This is the kind of ancestral antagonism I speak of. There is no need for it. If the only thing you associate with Lee is the racist bogeyman your are an idiot and don't deserve a voice in our body politic. And shit like that inherently creates a White identarian backlash.
For myriad reasons the two are not in any way comparable. I don’t even think it’s fair to view Lee as a traitor.
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