@oneeyedundertaker so you were not here when CO argued our measurements were off, too many stations in heat islands and unreliable satellite data were used in many threads
As to the old data being wrong, there were some outliers that are used to ridicule. But most projections were in the ballpark:
As to human involvement, any explanation has to account for the troposphere warming and the stratosphere cooling. In other words, heat is coming into the system but isn't reaching the stratosphere when it radiates out. Things like increased solar output, which we measure and know isn't the issue, would cause warming in the stratosphere too. But it is cooling. So any alternative thesis has to explain why the heat radiating off of earth isn't reaching the stratosphere.
The best answer is greenhouse gasses. Much of the heat radiating off is being grabbed by these gasses. We can run experiments on CO2 and see if radiated heat gets trapped by it. So we know they grab onto heat. Now, I fully acknowledge there could be a different theory that is right, just as Einstein's theory of relativity could be replaced by a better theory. But at the moment, based on what we know, the current theory fits.
So we don’t know. It is a great way to virtue signal though.
edit: “So any alternative thesis has to explain why the heat radiating off of earth isn't reaching the stratosphere.”
This statement is ridiculous….
”The best answer” - “guess” is the correct word to use here…
Jesus Christ. You don't even need to be a scientist to know that humans do things that contribute to climate change. We burn things. We power things. We drive things. All things which create heat. That heat goes into the atmosphere. The atmosphere gets warmer. We also create byproducts from all the things we do, and some of those byproducts (like CO2 and H2O) are known greenhouse gasses that help contribute to warming. CO2 helps the planet warm. Period. Naturally released, artificially released, it doesn't matter. We know for a fact that it increases temperatures, and we know for fact that at least some of that CO2 is coming from human activity.
So, yes, it is an incontrovertible truth that human activity contributes to climate change.
How about no cameras in these hearings and just the transcript can be released?
Those taking exception with Zeldin, seem to have little issue with the grandstanding from the blue haired freak. I would submit the grandstanding from legislators is just as corrosive as a combative witness. And although it means we’d no longer be treated to brilliance like the below from Brandon Gill.
https://twitter.com/repbrandongill/status/2049160492438917349?s=46
I think in the long run everyone would be better off and maybe congressional hearings could finally serve some kind of purpose outside of raising one’s public profile.
How about no cameras in these hearings and just the transcript can be released?
Those taking exception with Zeldin, seem to have little issue with the grandstanding from the blue haired freak. I would submit the grandstanding from legislators is just as corrosive as a combative witness. And although it means we’d no longer be treated to brilliance like the below from Brandon Gill.
https://twitter.com/repbrandongill/status/2049160492438917349?s=46
I think in the long run everyone would be better off and maybe congressional hearings could finally serve some kind of purpose outside of raising one’s public profile.
Gill has a bright future
This statement is ridiculous….
”The best answer” - “guess” is the correct word to use here…
Why is the statement ridiculous? We have a series of facts, the earth from troposphere down is warming, but cooling above. Find theories that fit those facts.
“So any alternative thesis has to explain why the heat radiating off of earth isn't reaching the stratosphere.”
This is the ridiculous statement. No, “any alternative thesis” does not have to explain why, but this is a perfect example of Dems portraying things as certain that are not, just like Covid, transitioning kids, DEI’s impacts, & on & on.
@oneeyedundertaker so you were not here when CO argued our measurements were off, too many stations in heat islands and unreliable satellite data were used in many threads
As to the old data being wrong, there were some outliers that are used to ridicule. But most projections were in the ballpark:
As to human involvement, any explanation has to account for the troposphere warming and the stratosphere cooling. In other words, heat is coming into the system but isn't reaching the stratosphere when it radiates out. Things like increased solar output, which we measure and know isn't the issue, would cause warming in the stratosphere too. But it is cooling. So any alternative thesis has to explain why the heat radiating off of earth isn't reaching the stratosphere.
The best answer is greenhouse gasses. Much of the heat radiating off is being grabbed by these gasses. We can run experiments on CO2 and see if radiated heat gets trapped by it. So we know they grab onto heat. Now, I fully acknowledge there could be a different theory that is right, just as Einstein's theory of relativity could be replaced by a better theory. But at the moment, based on what we know, the current theory fits.
So we don’t know. It is a great way to virtue signal though.
edit: “So any alternative thesis has to explain why the heat radiating off of earth isn't reaching the stratosphere.”
This statement is ridiculous….
”The best answer” - “guess” is the correct word to use here…
Jesus Christ. You don't even need to be a scientist to know that humans do things that contribute to climate change. We burn things. We power things. We drive things. All things which create heat. That heat goes into the atmosphere. The atmosphere gets warmer. We also create byproducts from all the things we do, and some of those byproducts (like CO2 and H2O) are known greenhouse gasses that help contribute to warming. CO2 helps the planet warm. Period. Naturally released, artificially released, it doesn't matter. We know for a fact that it increases temperatures, and we know for fact that at least some of that CO2 is coming from human activity.
So, yes, it is an incontrovertible truth that human activity contributes to climate change.
The same can be said for every time you exhale, fart, put up “green” solar panels, etc. The question “how much” matters.
@oneeyedundertaker so you were not here when CO argued our measurements were off, too many stations in heat islands and unreliable satellite data were used in many threads
As to the old data being wrong, there were some outliers that are used to ridicule. But most projections were in the ballpark:
As to human involvement, any explanation has to account for the troposphere warming and the stratosphere cooling. In other words, heat is coming into the system but isn't reaching the stratosphere when it radiates out. Things like increased solar output, which we measure and know isn't the issue, would cause warming in the stratosphere too. But it is cooling. So any alternative thesis has to explain why the heat radiating off of earth isn't reaching the stratosphere.
The best answer is greenhouse gasses. Much of the heat radiating off is being grabbed by these gasses. We can run experiments on CO2 and see if radiated heat gets trapped by it. So we know they grab onto heat. Now, I fully acknowledge there could be a different theory that is right, just as Einstein's theory of relativity could be replaced by a better theory. But at the moment, based on what we know, the current theory fits.
So we don’t know. It is a great way to virtue signal though.
edit: “So any alternative thesis has to explain why the heat radiating off of earth isn't reaching the stratosphere.”
This statement is ridiculous….
”The best answer” - “guess” is the correct word to use here…
Jesus Christ. You don't even need to be a scientist to know that humans do things that contribute to climate change. We burn things. We power things. We drive things. All things which create heat. That heat goes into the atmosphere. The atmosphere gets warmer. We also create byproducts from all the things we do, and some of those byproducts (like CO2 and H2O) are known greenhouse gasses that help contribute to warming. CO2 helps the planet warm. Period. Naturally released, artificially released, it doesn't matter. We know for a fact that it increases temperatures, and we know for fact that at least some of that CO2 is coming from human activity.
So, yes, it is an incontrovertible truth that human activity contributes to climate change.
The same can be said for every time you exhale, fart, put up “green” solar panels, etc. The question “how much” matters.
How much does matter. But we are not "guessing" we are a factor. We know we are a factor.
@oneeyedundertaker so you were not here when CO argued our measurements were off, too many stations in heat islands and unreliable satellite data were used in many threads
As to the old data being wrong, there were some outliers that are used to ridicule. But most projections were in the ballpark:
As to human involvement, any explanation has to account for the troposphere warming and the stratosphere cooling. In other words, heat is coming into the system but isn't reaching the stratosphere when it radiates out. Things like increased solar output, which we measure and know isn't the issue, would cause warming in the stratosphere too. But it is cooling. So any alternative thesis has to explain why the heat radiating off of earth isn't reaching the stratosphere.
The best answer is greenhouse gasses. Much of the heat radiating off is being grabbed by these gasses. We can run experiments on CO2 and see if radiated heat gets trapped by it. So we know they grab onto heat. Now, I fully acknowledge there could be a different theory that is right, just as Einstein's theory of relativity could be replaced by a better theory. But at the moment, based on what we know, the current theory fits.
So we don’t know. It is a great way to virtue signal though.
edit: “So any alternative thesis has to explain why the heat radiating off of earth isn't reaching the stratosphere.”
This statement is ridiculous….
”The best answer” - “guess” is the correct word to use here…
Jesus Christ. You don't even need to be a scientist to know that humans do things that contribute to climate change. We burn things. We power things. We drive things. All things which create heat. That heat goes into the atmosphere. The atmosphere gets warmer. We also create byproducts from all the things we do, and some of those byproducts (like CO2 and H2O) are known greenhouse gasses that help contribute to warming. CO2 helps the planet warm. Period. Naturally released, artificially released, it doesn't matter. We know for a fact that it increases temperatures, and we know for fact that at least some of that CO2 is coming from human activity.
So, yes, it is an incontrovertible truth that human activity contributes to climate change.
The same can be said for every time you exhale, fart, put up “green” solar panels, etc. The question “how much” matters.
How much does matter. But we are not "guessing" we are a factor. We know we are a factor.
1 degree or .000001 degrees?
She had a valid question to ask.
She didn’t ask a valid question. She framed her question around left wing climate dogma. There was no way to answer in a way where she wouldn’t become unhinged. Zeldin tried to explain, she wasn’t having it.
@oneeyedundertaker you choose to say it doesn't because you don't like the answer. That's not how science works. You don't get to unilaterally decide AGW is wrong then flatly reject anything and everything that suggested you are wrong.
we can get into that once you admit we are, in fact, a contributor.@oneeyedundertaker so you were not here when CO argued our measurements were off, too many stations in heat islands and unreliable satellite data were used in many threads
As to the old data being wrong, there were some outliers that are used to ridicule. But most projections were in the ballpark:
As to human involvement, any explanation has to account for the troposphere warming and the stratosphere cooling. In other words, heat is coming into the system but isn't reaching the stratosphere when it radiates out. Things like increased solar output, which we measure and know isn't the issue, would cause warming in the stratosphere too. But it is cooling. So any alternative thesis has to explain why the heat radiating off of earth isn't reaching the stratosphere.
The best answer is greenhouse gasses. Much of the heat radiating off is being grabbed by these gasses. We can run experiments on CO2 and see if radiated heat gets trapped by it. So we know they grab onto heat. Now, I fully acknowledge there could be a different theory that is right, just as Einstein's theory of relativity could be replaced by a better theory. But at the moment, based on what we know, the current theory fits.
So we don’t know. It is a great way to virtue signal though.
edit: “So any alternative thesis has to explain why the heat radiating off of earth isn't reaching the stratosphere.”
This statement is ridiculous….
”The best answer” - “guess” is the correct word to use here…
Jesus Christ. You don't even need to be a scientist to know that humans do things that contribute to climate change. We burn things. We power things. We drive things. All things which create heat. That heat goes into the atmosphere. The atmosphere gets warmer. We also create byproducts from all the things we do, and some of those byproducts (like CO2 and H2O) are known greenhouse gasses that help contribute to warming. CO2 helps the planet warm. Period. Naturally released, artificially released, it doesn't matter. We know for a fact that it increases temperatures, and we know for fact that at least some of that CO2 is coming from human activity.
So, yes, it is an incontrovertible truth that human activity contributes to climate change.
The same can be said for every time you exhale, fart, put up “green” solar panels, etc. The question “how much” matters.
How much does matter. But we are not "guessing" we are a factor. We know we are a factor.
1 degree or .000001 degrees?
…and your example is perfect in demonstrating how an intelligent statesperson can lead us in a positive direction despite clowns in Congress.@arthur-dent Don’t disagree but the clip isn’t about that. It’s about a rep being so grossly unprepared and uninformed that actual business can’t get done. How is that guy supposed to discuss anything meaningfully with her.
Why would anyone want to pay taxes to these people beyond the bare minimum. They’re not competent stewards.
The thing is, she wasn't unprepared. She had a valid question to ask. And he had a valid answer for that question. The problem was, he didn't give that valid answer. Instead he just acted like a dick. He could have said, "After going through the rulemaking requirements of the APA, we came to a final determination that climate change was not within the purview this Congress granted our agency. If anyone thinks our determination was wrong, there are avenues they can take to address that. Certainly, Congress has the authority to simply amend the law, and make it part of our purview." But he didn't do that. Instead he strutted around like a peacock.
Like most Reps who bother to ask questions in these hearings, DeLauro is more performance artist than legislator, but the question of whether or not the EPA should, or even can, address climate change is a valid one, and a discussion Congress should be having. He didn't shoot her down because she's uninformed. He shot her down because he's an ass.
Do you believe that the device you’re using to interact on this form actually works? How much does it work? 1%? 0.00001%?
we can get into that once you admit we are, in fact, a contributor.@oneeyedundertaker so you were not here when CO argued our measurements were off, too many stations in heat islands and unreliable satellite data were used in many threads
As to the old data being wrong, there were some outliers that are used to ridicule. But most projections were in the ballpark:
As to human involvement, any explanation has to account for the troposphere warming and the stratosphere cooling. In other words, heat is coming into the system but isn't reaching the stratosphere when it radiates out. Things like increased solar output, which we measure and know isn't the issue, would cause warming in the stratosphere too. But it is cooling. So any alternative thesis has to explain why the heat radiating off of earth isn't reaching the stratosphere.
The best answer is greenhouse gasses. Much of the heat radiating off is being grabbed by these gasses. We can run experiments on CO2 and see if radiated heat gets trapped by it. So we know they grab onto heat. Now, I fully acknowledge there could be a different theory that is right, just as Einstein's theory of relativity could be replaced by a better theory. But at the moment, based on what we know, the current theory fits.
So we don’t know. It is a great way to virtue signal though.
edit: “So any alternative thesis has to explain why the heat radiating off of earth isn't reaching the stratosphere.”
This statement is ridiculous….
”The best answer” - “guess” is the correct word to use here…
Jesus Christ. You don't even need to be a scientist to know that humans do things that contribute to climate change. We burn things. We power things. We drive things. All things which create heat. That heat goes into the atmosphere. The atmosphere gets warmer. We also create byproducts from all the things we do, and some of those byproducts (like CO2 and H2O) are known greenhouse gasses that help contribute to warming. CO2 helps the planet warm. Period. Naturally released, artificially released, it doesn't matter. We know for a fact that it increases temperatures, and we know for fact that at least some of that CO2 is coming from human activity.
So, yes, it is an incontrovertible truth that human activity contributes to climate change.
The same can be said for every time you exhale, fart, put up “green” solar panels, etc. The question “how much” matters.
How much does matter. But we are not "guessing" we are a factor. We know we are a factor.
1 degree or .000001 degrees?
We are a factor in creating heat. We are a factor in creating the excess runoff that causes rivers to rise and the floods we see Congress panhandling for “emergency spending” to help with recovery.
How do we as individuals help these issues? 99% of people will not sign up for the incremental improvements that will help.
@oneeyedundertaker you choose to say it doesn't because you don't like the answer. That's not how science works. You don't get to unilaterally decide AGW is wrong then flatly reject anything and everything that suggested you are wrong.
I didn’t say anybody was wrong Marv, I am claiming uncertainty while you are claiming certainty that doesn’t exist. Is climate change real? Yes. Would it be happening without humans, yes. Are we impacting or adversely changing it? That’s where it gets murky, & it’s possible.
Do you drive a car Marv? Does it have an ICE? Do you fly anywhere for vacation Marv? Do you have electricity to your house & consume it? How can you do any of these things in good conscience if you believe it’s causing this change? As will all things with you & other Dems, you want to virtue signal but are hypocritical about the stuff that might be a little painful. You don’t need the government to tell everyone they have to do something to put your own money where your mouth is…