Absurd doesn't mean you don't like it. It means no rational person would or could "like" or support it. It's too complicated for me to say in your example I'd "like" it; I'd feel sad for the kid but recognize that the parent's right to know trumps the kid's feelings. I'm not aware of any legally recognized confidentiality between a child and their school counselor or teacher.Your take also leads to absurd results. Let's say a kid goes to a guidance counselor and says, "I think I'm gay" or "I think I want to convert to Judaism" but adds "but please don't tell my parents; I'm not ready to discuss this with them until I figure out how I feel." I'm guessing you'd agree that the counselor would be right to keep the kid's confidences despite what it might mean for the right of the parents to raise the kid "as they see fit." Correct?
I don't think that's absurd. You might not like it, but it's not absurd. The rape example is absurd and your rationale would support it.
But you would like it? Because if not, we are just arguing about the definition of the word "absurd," and I'm no CO.H, so that doesn't interest me.
@unclemark This is all very simple. Parents decide. Not kids. Not teachers. Save physical abuse parents know everything and decide everything. That's the default. Always has been always should be. In that way we are maintaining norms and not subjecting kids and ourselves to the vagaries of cultural nonsense like woke. And I'm not totally unsympathetic to your take. In some circumstances you are right. And in some circumstances kids will do worse following my strictures. But we need all-encompassing rules in certain environments and this is one of them to prevent greater harm.
Well, first of all, trans identity isn't about sexuality, you neanderthal.I'd say that anything a teacher or other trusted adult is told in confidence should remain in confidence, excepting concerns over self harm by the child or to others. That said, I also do not believe there should be any kind of school policy on such matters, one way or the other. The school system should have no rigid policy that each kid or adult gets shoehorned into following.
Then you should be in favor of requiring teachers to tell parents about a kid expressing trans identity:
Data from The Trevor Project's 2024 national survey found that nearly half (46%) of transgender and nonbinary young people seriously considered attempting suicide in the past year.
Nice try. Kid says he thinks he might be trans. You narc on him because some survey says it's possible he might be suicidal, even though he has expressed no such sentiments to you. Sorry, that doesn't fly. It's just a back door to narc the kid out for questioning his sexuality.
Second, I know of no better proxy in the literature for suicidal issues than this one. So if this doesn't trigger a duty, then neither would bullying. You really going to support that?
Third, your language reeks of a belief in a code of silence/ no-snitch culture. Kinda childish, but more importantly, it belies a belief that you are in the same group as the kids. I'm thinking you don't have kids? Children are not just little adults with less experience than us. You're not in the same group as them, together "fighting the man."
Fourth, telling the child's parents--those who care for him, responsible for his life and upbringing, and who more than likely love him or her more than any other thing on this Earth--about the child's confusion or wellbeing is not "narcing" because narcing necessarily implies wrongdoing. There is no wrongdoing here.
For reasons already expressed above, there's no guarantee that telling you is in the best interests of your child.
Does that matter? Public policy should demand that the schools inform the parents of all observed physical or mental health issues. Permitting the schools to determine best interests of the kids is a burden the school is not equipped to make and should not be making. Big bucks are already spent on family issues and support where people are well trained in best interest considerations.
Well, first of all, trans identity isn't about sexuality, you neanderthal.I'd say that anything a teacher or other trusted adult is told in confidence should remain in confidence, excepting concerns over self harm by the child or to others. That said, I also do not believe there should be any kind of school policy on such matters, one way or the other. The school system should have no rigid policy that each kid or adult gets shoehorned into following.
Then you should be in favor of requiring teachers to tell parents about a kid expressing trans identity:
Data from The Trevor Project's 2024 national survey found that nearly half (46%) of transgender and nonbinary young people seriously considered attempting suicide in the past year.
Nice try. Kid says he thinks he might be trans. You narc on him because some survey says it's possible he might be suicidal, even though he has expressed no such sentiments to you. Sorry, that doesn't fly. It's just a back door to narc the kid out for questioning his sexuality.
Second, I know of no better proxy in the literature for suicidal issues than this one. So if this doesn't trigger a duty, then neither would bullying. You really going to support that?
Third, your language reeks of a belief in a code of silence/ no-snitch culture. Kinda childish, but more importantly, it belies a belief that you are in the same group as the kids. I'm thinking you don't have kids? Children are not just little adults with less experience than us. You're not in the same group as them, together "fighting the man."
Fourth, telling the child's parents--those who care for him, responsible for his life and upbringing, and who more than likely love him or her more than any other thing on this Earth--about the child's confusion or wellbeing is not "narcing" because narcing necessarily implies wrongdoing. There is no wrongdoing here.
LOL. I knew I'd get your hackles up.
And to be clear, there's a huge difference between making a best interest determination (which I think universally requires an adversarial evidentiary hearing in family law cases) and a mandatory reporter's duty to report suspected child abuse or neglect.For reasons already expressed above, there's no guarantee that telling you is in the best interests of your child.
Does that matter? Public policy should demand that the schools inform the parents of all observed physical or mental health issues. Permitting the schools to determine best interests of the kids is a burden the school is not equipped to make and should not be making. Big bucks are already spent on family issues and support where people are well trained in best interest considerations.
For reasons already expressed above, there's no guarantee that telling you is in the best interests of your child.
Does that matter? Public policy should demand that the schools inform the parents of all observed physical or mental health issues. Permitting the schools to determine best interests of the kids is a burden the school is not equipped to make and should not be making. Big bucks are already spent on family issues and support where people are well trained in best interest considerations.
I think it probably matters. I started this under the assumption that schools were forced to balance parental rights with child welfare. So, if that assumption holds, then, yes, it matters. If my assumption is wrong, then I guess maybe it doesn't matter.
Well, first of all, trans identity isn't about sexuality, you neanderthal.I'd say that anything a teacher or other trusted adult is told in confidence should remain in confidence, excepting concerns over self harm by the child or to others. That said, I also do not believe there should be any kind of school policy on such matters, one way or the other. The school system should have no rigid policy that each kid or adult gets shoehorned into following.
Then you should be in favor of requiring teachers to tell parents about a kid expressing trans identity:
Data from The Trevor Project's 2024 national survey found that nearly half (46%) of transgender and nonbinary young people seriously considered attempting suicide in the past year.
Nice try. Kid says he thinks he might be trans. You narc on him because some survey says it's possible he might be suicidal, even though he has expressed no such sentiments to you. Sorry, that doesn't fly. It's just a back door to narc the kid out for questioning his sexuality.
Second, I know of no better proxy in the literature for suicidal issues than this one. So if this doesn't trigger a duty, then neither would bullying. You really going to support that?
Third, your language reeks of a belief in a code of silence/ no-snitch culture. Kinda childish, but more importantly, it belies a belief that you are in the same group as the kids. I'm thinking you don't have kids? Children are not just little adults with less experience than us. You're not in the same group as them, together "fighting the man."
Fourth, telling the child's parents--those who care for him, responsible for his life and upbringing, and who more than likely love him or her more than any other thing on this Earth--about the child's confusion or wellbeing is not "narcing" because narcing necessarily implies wrongdoing. There is no wrongdoing here.
LOL. I knew I'd get your hackles up.
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