@shooter he said vile things during a time when the country was already amped up and showed zero remorse. that doesn't comport with many local community standards around the country. so the affiliates pulled them as is their right. more than 89 percent of the counties in america shifted in favor of trump. it's not a reach for the fcc to say wtf is this guy doing based on the prescribed standards
@twenty yeah just like a month. super recently. it's been a mess as we're idiots and didn't notify our customers so shipments were being held until THEY paid which was not what we wanted. we got all of the shipping and payments sorted out but it has been way more expensive than i anticipated. it's not good. adidas already announced they will be raising prices. they do a ton in vietnam indonesia etc. it's a really big deal to my main business and not in a good way
It's definitely not a coincidence but it's also likely LEGAL. But there is a way to find out and ABC hasn't done shit yet.The FCC made a clear and specific public threat, then 3 hours later the threatened company toed the line.
3 hours.
But you want us to believe that it was just a coincidence.
I don't know whether it was or not, and you don't either, but it's pretty damn fishy. And such threats should not happen. The person making the threats tweeted 5 years ago about why such threats should not happen. But now he has to be loyal to the czar.
It's definitely not a coincidence but it's also likely LEGAL. But there is a way to find out and ABC hasn't done shit yet.
And they won't. It can be very expensive even to win lawsuits, and also extremely risky from an economic perspective to oppose an administration who is openly and proudly committed to retribution and retaliation at any taxpayer expense.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
@mcm666 Anyone that didn't know that for profit companies would eventually have to pass these tariff costs on to customers... well... they're incredibly short sighted. And I suggest have a little too much unfounded trust in Trump.
The only question was when...not if...
I like the disruption of long established norms... honestly I do... but with every doubling down he does, the more convinced I am that he has zero F-ing clue what kind of damage he's doing to our economy, long term. Or probably more apt... he doesn't care. He'll claim some bullshit "win" with a made up tariff revenue number. And disregard the other side of the ledger, and the damage he'll have done. In the end, yes, customers will pay a huge portion of these tariffs...OBVI fucking OUSLY... But along the way, relationships will be ruined, profit margins will be hammered, we'll realize we don't have the infrastructure to handle all these product needs domestically. So we'll be forced to buy lesser caliber products, from lesser caliber countries, just because they might be in better graces with Trump. The entire thing is absurd.
You can't run an entire country, the size and scale of the United States, how he's ran his businesses. You can't bankrupt it, disregard contractors and debtors, talk shit with people you WILL need help from eventually, move on, re open it, and then claim success.
Trump very well may end the "woke" extreme movement. He might lock down immigration. But he also might make the United States economy and country a 2nd world nation in the process. And he's going to cause millions of Americans financial pain in the process. Many of them adoring him anyways.
@iunorth yeah but. here's my yeah but. biden was going to whack us on taxes. small businesses. llc's etc. so i'm not sure yet whether we (I) will come out ahead or behind. i will say this is a boost for those already producing in the us. our products will now inch closer to those in price. add in shit like india and pakistan wars etc and those who can produce here will certainly be more inclined to. and i guess will raise revenue to pay down the debt some.
so i'm not totally against htis stuff or trump. i don't think it's completely wrong. but at the moment i'm 100 percent someone who it is not helping and it is hurting very much
@mcm666 follow the trail to you feeling the pain... and expound that to other industries, and everyone else. The longer he doubles down them, the more industries will end up in the same boat you're currently in.
We don't want to be a country that only benefits from our own domestic production. That's not how we became the world power that we are. And to your original point on it... its the end customer that WILL end up shouldering all of these costs. The alternative is for profit companies willingly eating profits. That is not reasonable, and shouldn't even be a consideration for anyone as a long term solution. The market will decide where cost capacities and thresholds are. Unfortunately for pretty much everyone not named Trump, he's the one that's changing the markets.
My cynical side suspects his..."financial empire"... is somehow benefitting from all this. Because that's one of the few things that tracks, and makes sense, in terms of reasons to continue doing what he's doing with the tariffs.
@iunorth I’m sure anywhere he can make a buck he is. But I don’t think he views tariffs that way. I think he looks at in more basic terms. Why are we getting fckd. I’ll get us better deals. Without delving into the reality that it’s not punishing foreign companies it’s punishing U.S. companies. We are the ones obligated to pay it. So now I know negotiated a split with my overseas partners. That’s what I guess all the us companies will have to do
@mcm666 I think at his core, he's a guy that uses people, systems, etc... to benefit himself. But maybe to your point... all the things he does as a POTUS, there's just too much of it that impacts so many people, even he can't be doing EVERYTHING solely for his own benefit.
I suspect what is now driving him is accumulating as many "wins" as he can, while also sticking it to/getting back at, the various people and groups that were responsible for "bringing him down" in 2020. And Trump doesn't play games that he can't set the rules, control the play, to the point where he "wins".
Golf... he's overall a better than average golfer. But he cheats, and sets the games and tournaments he plays up in a way where the outcome is determined before the game. And he shames and forces people to just go along with it, and ultimately "accept" that he won. That's essentially what he has done with everything in his business and political life. So...
Tariffs... Trump does have vast experience in negotiations. But we're in the middle of him foot wedging balls out in to the fairway, writing down lower scores, etc... Everyone playing with him is going to end up pissed off about the whole things. And he's certainly going to collect all the debts and trophies. But fewer and fewer people are going to want to play with him.
He is who he is. I think he's an awful human being. And I think most of his "wins" will be short lived, very transactional... and we'll see VERY different versions of people like JD Vance, Marco Rubio, etc... when he's finally out of the picture.
@mcm666 that's fair. You're taking the worst of it. Unfortunately, I don't see them going away anytime soon. I think the next Democrat or Republican President will keep them in place. They might tweak them some, but that's about it. It's become a national security issue and the government does whatever it wants if it's deemed a national security issue.
No shit. You think the govt is ever going to give up that revenue stream once the faucet is turned on? Of course not. And we'll all suffer becoming a poorer nation in the long run. It will be Trump's legacy impact. Out only hope is the the SCOTUS shows some actual backbone
Not sure on the poorer part overall because they will print 300-400 billion less each year. They're just rearranging who pays the tax.
Govt debt does not increase the money supply. The Fed balance sheet has been shrinking for the last 3+ years as part of ongoing QT. The balance sheet is back to roughly April 2020 levels. Serval trillion lower than it's peak in 2022. So what printing are you referring to?
I meant issue 300-400 billion of debt.
@mcm666 Anyone that didn't know that for profit companies would eventually have to pass these tariff costs on to customers... well... they're incredibly short sighted. And I suggest have a little too much unfounded trust in Trump.
The only question was when...not if...
I like the disruption of long established norms... honestly I do... but with every doubling down he does, the more convinced I am that he has zero F-ing clue what kind of damage he's doing to our economy, long term. Or probably more apt... he doesn't care. He'll claim some bullshit "win" with a made up tariff revenue number. And disregard the other side of the ledger, and the damage he'll have done. In the end, yes, customers will pay a huge portion of these tariffs...OBVI fucking OUSLY... But along the way, relationships will be ruined, profit margins will be hammered, we'll realize we don't have the infrastructure to handle all these product needs domestically. So we'll be forced to buy lesser caliber products, from lesser caliber countries, just because they might be in better graces with Trump. The entire thing is absurd.
You can't run an entire country, the size and scale of the United States, how he's ran his businesses. You can't bankrupt it, disregard contractors and debtors, talk shit with people you WILL need help from eventually, move on, re open it, and then claim success.
Trump very well may end the "woke" extreme movement. He might lock down immigration. But he also might make the United States economy and country a 2nd world nation in the process. And he's going to cause millions of Americans financial pain in the process. Many of them adoring him anyways.
Will you change your opinion when Trump doesn't turn the economy into a 2nd world nation?
At some point we have to live in reality with what is happening. Inflation is flat since he took office. GDP was 3% last quarter and it might end up 3% again this quarter. All the markets are all time highs or near them. I thought tariffs this size would have a more negative impact on the economy, but so far it hasn't. People get caught up with talking heads and narratives, but don't recalibrate their biases when reality is different.
@snarlcakes Every industry and sector is hit differently by the tariffs. Most industries are still working through inventories and agreements that were in place before the tariffs started. Many use index pricing, that locks in pricing for long stretches, based off average costs over recent periods of time. As time passes, those indexes expire, and new ones are formed. The new ones are much more vulnerable to tariff impacts.
I haven't paid attention to what industry McM666 is in, if he's ever divulged it, but I suspect they're coming out of previously committed contracts, and now getting in to contracts and inventories that are more fully affected by the tariffs.
In my industry, we have had suppliers and OEM's eating some of the tariff increases. We've also moved countries of origin around, in many cases, to avoid the higher tariffed countries. We're getting to the point where that isn't feasible any more, and the supply chain can't absorb costs any more. So our products will start getting more expensive.
Like most industries, we were holding off, hoping the tariffs would ease back to more "normal" levels. That's what's keeping the numbers where they are. Time is running out on all that though. If he doubles down... its going to get pretty ugly.
@snarlcakes Every industry and sector is hit differently by the tariffs. Most industries are still working through inventories and agreements that were in place before the tariffs started. Many use index pricing, that locks in pricing for long stretches, based off average costs over recent periods of time. As time passes, those indexes expire, and new ones are formed. The new ones are much more vulnerable to tariff impacts.
I haven't paid attention to what industry McM666 is in, if he's ever divulged it, but I suspect they're coming out of previously committed contracts, and now getting in to contracts and inventories that are more fully affected by the tariffs.
In my industry, we have had suppliers and OEM's eating some of the tariff increases. We've also moved countries of origin around, in many cases, to avoid the higher tariffed countries. We're getting to the point where that isn't feasible any more, and the supply chain can't absorb costs any more. So our products will start getting more expensive.
Like most industries, we were holding off, hoping the tariffs would ease back to more "normal" levels. That's what's keeping the numbers where they are. Time is running out on all that though. If he doubles down... its going to get pretty ugly.
I guess that's a no 🤣
@snarlcakes Every industry and sector is hit differently by the tariffs. Most industries are still working through inventories and agreements that were in place before the tariffs started. Many use index pricing, that locks in pricing for long stretches, based off average costs over recent periods of time. As time passes, those indexes expire, and new ones are formed. The new ones are much more vulnerable to tariff impacts.
I haven't paid attention to what industry McM666 is in, if he's ever divulged it, but I suspect they're coming out of previously committed contracts, and now getting in to contracts and inventories that are more fully affected by the tariffs.
In my industry, we have had suppliers and OEM's eating some of the tariff increases. We've also moved countries of origin around, in many cases, to avoid the higher tariffed countries. We're getting to the point where that isn't feasible any more, and the supply chain can't absorb costs any more. So our products will start getting more expensive.
Like most industries, we were holding off, hoping the tariffs would ease back to more "normal" levels. That's what's keeping the numbers where they are. Time is running out on all that though. If he doubles down... its going to get pretty ugly.
I guess that's a no 🤣
Lol. I was gonna reply with the same thing. Just more prognostication. Wake me up when September Ends. September 2017.
Im sure they’ll still be prognosticating.