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SqueakyClean
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Posted by: @theartistfkaranger

@unclemark I would like more details from that opinion piece on why they feel worse off economically than under Biden. 

chances are there are constant malcontents amongst us that will just be angry at whatever the current administration is - bereft of any actual data to support or contradict. 

if it’s just higher gas prices from Iran war then fine. But that’s not enough to empower such a claim. 

A few items I know about:

Electricity prices increased 7% in 2025 and appear to be on track to increase an additional 6% this year.  Combined with a particularly snowy / cold winter this February in the Midwest, I know a bunch of people got hit with some hefty heating bills.

Tuition fees / schooling seem to have increased about 4% each year for the past two years also (slightly above inflation).

Several companies were passing on tariff costs to consumers.  In particular, lumber has increased 10 to 14% last year and steel increased 20%.  That has increased the cost of construction of new buildings which owners / developers are passing on to tenants in the form of higher rent prices.  The increase in lumber costs also affects things like paper / cardboard / pencils, costs which get passed on to the consumers.

 


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BradStevens
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Posted by: @squeakyclean

Posted by: @theartistfkaranger

@unclemark I would like more details from that opinion piece on why they feel worse off economically than under Biden. 

chances are there are constant malcontents amongst us that will just be angry at whatever the current administration is - bereft of any actual data to support or contradict. 

if it’s just higher gas prices from Iran war then fine. But that’s not enough to empower such a claim. 

A few items I know about:

Electricity prices increased 7% in 2025 and appear to be on track to increase an additional 6% this year.  Combined with a particularly snowy / cold winter this February in the Midwest, I know a bunch of people got hit with some hefty heating bills.

Tuition fees / schooling seem to have increased about 4% each year for the past two years also (slightly above inflation).

Several companies were passing on tariff costs to consumers.  In particular, lumber has increased 10 to 14% last year and steel increased 20%.  That has increased the cost of construction of new buildings which owners / developers are passing on to tenants in the form of higher rent prices.  The increase in lumber costs also affects things like paper / cardboard / pencils, costs which get passed on to the consumers.

 

Pencils?


The Office Boomer GIF by MOODMAN

 


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Posted : 08/21/2026 10:01 am
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CO. Hoosier
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Posted by: @big-ryan

AOC, as you've noted, has no chance at the nomination in '28.  She would be certain to lose in the general.  

I wouldn't so easily dismiss her.  She arrived in Congress ( after beating a powerful Dem incumbent) as a moronic, loudmouth, curiosity.  Since then she has only become more mainstream, influential,  and powerful.  She hasn’t gotten any smarter, but now she is the kind of politician who will be sought for an endorsement if she isn’t the candidate.  I can’t imagine any Democrat being nominated whom she opposes.  

The media loves her and she craves the attention.  She shows she has staying power and is a force.  


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Posted : 08/21/2026 10:05 am
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Butch Crawling's avatar
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

Posted by: @unclemark

but what few policy positions he's taken seem reasonably mainstream liberal and there are no red flags.

Ossoff is a Jew and backs Israel.  Is that a red flag for a Democrat these days?  I think many have already written off Shapiro because he is a Jew.  

He's a patrilineal Jew.  His mother is not Jewish.  I've read that he was bar mitzvahed and identifies as Jewish but is not religiously observant.  

He supports Israel and Israeli security but has been sharply critical of Netanyahu on various fronts.  He has argued that the scale of civilian casualties in Gaza and destruction in densely populated areas fails to align with American values or long-term U.S. national security interests.  He has even supported proposals to withhold offensive military shipments to Israel and/or condition them on Israel's commitment to human rights and humanitarian aid in Gaza.

 


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Posted : 08/21/2026 10:22 am
SqueakyClean
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Posted by: @bradstevens

Pencils?


The Office Boomer GIF by MOODMAN

 

You and I don't use them, but kids in K-9 still do, and parents are supposed to buy them every year.

This is the school supply list for my neighborhood school 2nd grade class.  Everything bolded is either made of paper or comes in a cardboard box.

2nd Grade

  • Backpack
  • Plastic Supply Box (1)
  • Water Bottle (filled daily)
  • Headphones - NO EARBUDS
  • 3 Prong Plastic Folders (4 yellow, green, purple, blue)
  • Spiral Notebooks (1)
  • Post-Its (2 packs, 3x3 pads)
  • Pencils (Ticonderoga, 2 boxes pre-sharpened)
  • Erasers (2-pink)
  • Crayola 24 Crayons (4 boxes)
  • Crayola Markers 10 (2 pks)
  • Sharpie Marker (2-black)
  • Highlighter (yellow only)
  • Elmers Glue Sticks (12)
  • Scissors (round tip)
  • Dry Erase Markers (4, black)
  • Sanitizing Wipes (1)
  • Hand Sanitizer
  • Tissues (2)
  • Ziploc Gallon (1)
  • Ziploc Quart (1)
  • Index Cards (2)

 


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Posted : 08/21/2026 10:33 am
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@squeakyclean I use pencils every day.  Probably go through ten a week. And I’m a millennial


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Posted : 08/21/2026 10:37 am
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The Artist Formerly Known as Ranger
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@squeakyclean And what were the long term trends on those (besides the tariffs)? Hearing education went up 4% sounds like a slowdown to me. Energy prices increase every year. 

without comparison to a CAGR it is not telling a story


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Posted : 08/21/2026 10:42 am
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SqueakyClean
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Posted by: @theartistfkaranger

@squeakyclean And what were the long term trends on those (besides the tariffs)? Hearing education went up 4% sounds like a slowdown to me. Energy prices increase every year. 

without comparison to a CAGR it is not telling a story

But you are asking with regards to the everyday housewife and their opinions of why THEY think that they are worse off economically.  There are several reasons beyond the tariffs and gas for why prices are going up.  The average housewife doesn't care about a comparison to a CAGR, she just knows that the cost of pencils is up $0.40 from last year.  Anything that outpaces inflation (2.78% over last two years) is going to be blamed on the current administration, regardless of whether it is a result of something they did or not.

 


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Posted : 08/21/2026 10:54 am
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Posted by: @squeakyclean

Posted by: @theartistfkaranger

@squeakyclean And what were the long term trends on those (besides the tariffs)? Hearing education went up 4% sounds like a slowdown to me. Energy prices increase every year. 

without comparison to a CAGR it is not telling a story

But you are asking with regards to the everyday housewife and their opinions of why THEY think that they are worse off economically.  There are several reasons beyond the tariffs and gas for why prices are going up.  The average housewife doesn't care about a comparison to a CAGR, she just knows that the cost of pencils is up $0.40 from last year.  Anything that outpaces inflation (2.78% over last two years) is going to be blamed on the current administration, regardless of whether it is a result of something they did or not.

 

 

The “average housewife” is voting republican 

 


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Posted : 08/21/2026 11:00 am
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To answer @unclemark original post.  Today's Pub party is a raucous bunch of good looking men who are going to k#ck the sh#t out of you sh#t lib communists.  Winners win just like PCA who is the best baseball and soccer player in the world @bar-down@larsiu hopefully you weren't a limp wrist soccer fan and HODLed. 

https://twitter.com/bitpaine/status/2090782700827468284?s=46

 


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Posted : 08/21/2026 11:00 am
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The Artist Formerly Known as Ranger
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@squeakyclean I understand now. You’re talking more about feelings versus facts. I get it, and I agree with you


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Posted : 08/21/2026 11:16 am
SqueakyClean
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Posted by: @spartans9312

 

The “average housewife” is voting republican 

 

2020, no

2024, yes

2028, ???

It probably comes down to what you call an average housewife.  If you are talking a rural white mother, then absolutely yes, your statement is true.  If you are talking an inner-city white mother, then decidedly no.  The deciding tilt comes from the suburban moms.  A good chunk of the reason why Trump lost in 2020 was a significant amount of suburban women voted Democrat.

November this year will very telling along that demographic.

 


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Posted : 08/21/2026 11:27 am
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Posted by: @squeakyclean

Posted by: @spartans9312

 

The “average housewife” is voting republican 

 

2020, no

2024, yes

2028, ???

It probably comes down to what you call an average housewife.  If you are talking a rural white mother, then absolutely yes, your statement is true.  If you are talking an inner-city white mother, then decidedly no.  The deciding tilt comes from the suburban moms.  A good chunk of the reason why Trump lost in 2020 was a significant amount of suburban women voted Democrat.

November this year will very telling along that demographic.

 

 

I guess I define housewife as one that doesn’t have a job outside the home. A 1 income family. We’ve been told the middle class has to have two incomes to survive in the suburbs. So that limits the “average housewife” numbers in my view. If we are talking women then yeah they are voting Democratic more often. Maybe Hickory can give us his definition.

 


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Posted : 08/21/2026 11:39 am
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She'll make a great full-term senator. 

Darline Graham raises eyebrows after she says in debate she's 'not that informed on national security' - ABC News


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Posted : 08/21/2026 11:59 am
The Artist Formerly Known as Ranger
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@squeakyclean like I said, we agree. Perhaps we can even agree that people are irrational and mostly ignorant in their root cause analysis of what’s to blame for a $0.40 increase in pencils. 

nevertheless, people vote with emotion, not logic at scale. 


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