Talking about policy and your conclusion that this is a failure of our legal immigrant population, the law actually allows detention of all these individuals, which I guess means they were not here legally at the time due to the reversal of their status. Do you think mass detention would have been better than the ankle monitor?
I think it should have never come to a decision between mass detention and ankle bracelets. At least in Springfield, TPS was working for the community and a large number of the Haitians who came here because of it were contributing to the community in any number of ways. There was no good reason to revoke their status in the first place.
Also, although I love to pile on politicians, from the story it sounds like the real mental distress came from people at Wright State who were bullying the kid about the ankle monitor. So maybe this failure falls under the category of general human nature failure.
There is probably some truth to your last sentence. I don't know this kid. Maybe there were mental health concerns leading up to this. Being faced with the reality that you were being treated like a criminal until the federal government decided to throw you back to a country where you and your family would face uncertainty and be unsafe probably wouldn't help any existing mental health issues. There was no good reason to revoke TPS at this point for people like Pierre and his family. Had that not happened, maybe he wouldn't have been bullied at Wright State.
planning on going through the proper channels to live here permanently.
There is your answer.
No one's hand was forced to revoke their TPS status.
TPS status includes no right to stay here. It is not a substitute for immigration. There was no revocation. It expired. He didn’t voluntarily go home.
We've been failing legal immigrants for decades. Our immigration system has been broken and has needed a major overhaul for a long time. The wait and the process for people who are following the rules are ridiculous and no one seems to want to step up and offer a plan to reform it.
The immigration problem is not with the law. When the democrats have tge presidency, they won’t enforce the law and instead claim it is broken and needs to be reformed. The only problem is the Democrats simply don’t like the law and use Rube Goldberg procedures to avoid it. No wonder we have problems.
The only area that needs attention is the temporary work permit process.
planning on going through the proper channels to live here permanently.
There is your answer.
No one's hand was forced to revoke their TPS status.
TPS status includes no right to stay here. It is not a substitute for immigration. There was no revocation. It expired. He didn’t voluntarily go home.
The bottom line is this. Why wouldn't we want to encourage immigrants who, by all accounts, want to be productive members of society? That's not a blanket statement that all Haitians should be given a proverbial blank check to stay. In this particular case, this kid was on a great path to becoming a great contributor to society. He wanted to be a doctor. He wanted to serve in the military. Those are the types of people we should want in this country.
planning on going through the proper channels to live here permanently.
There is your answer.
No one's hand was forced to revoke their TPS status.
TPS status includes no right to stay here. It is not a substitute for immigration. There was no revocation. It expired. He didn’t voluntarily go home.
The bottom line is this. Why wouldn't we want to encourage immigrants who, by all accounts, want to be productive members of society? That's not a blanket statement that all Haitians should be given a proverbial blank check to stay. In this particular case, this kid was on a great path to becoming a great contributor to society. He wanted to be a doctor. He wanted to serve in the military. Those are the types of people we should want in this country.
And what mechanism would you use to examine the backgrounds of the 350K Haitans that were here on TPS to determine if they meet the nebulous definition of "on a great path"? Or to review the 1.3 Million total on TPS when Trump took office? Or the 15+ million illegal immigrant population?
Maybe stand up an "Office of Character Review for Visa holders, TPS and Authorized Immigrants". We could hire amies of social workers to determine if they think these people will be productive members of society or not.
And what mechanism would you use to examine the backgrounds of the 350K Haitans that were here on TPS to determine if they meet the nebulous definition of "on a great path"? Or to review the 1.3 Million total on TPS when Trump took office? Or the 15+ million illegal immigrant population?
Maybe stand up an "Office of Character Review for Visa holders, TPS and Authorized Immigrants". We could hire amies of social workers to determine if they think these people will be productive members of society or not.
That’s a good logistical question. Maybe localize/regionalize it similar to other ways state and community governments monitor programs and distribute funds. There are a lot of reporting mechanisms colleges and universities have to go through to continue to receive federal funding. Some similar type of structure could be set up. I think the city government in a place like Springfield would be able to parse that out working with schools, places of business, etc.
Local governments and community leaders probably have a better handle on who is contributing to society and who isn’t. Let them have a say in who stays and goes.
I agree with your bottom line. If what you said is true, he would have been a good and productive member of society. But he killed himself. You blame America. I can’t get there.
I agree with your bottom line. If what you said is true, he would have been a good and productive member of society. But he killed himself. You blame America. I can’t get there.
We’ll never know for sure, but I find it extremely unlikely that he would have killed himself if he wasn’t turned into a criminal overnight, humiliated and bullied because of it and faced with the likelihood of being sent back to an unknown and uncertain situation when he seemed to have so much promise here.
Revoking TPS did set that all in motion. I don’t know what was going through his head specifically, but I could see how a 20 year old kid would feel helpless/powerless in that situation.
And what mechanism would you use to examine the backgrounds of the 350K Haitans that were here on TPS to determine if they meet the nebulous definition of "on a great path"? Or to review the 1.3 Million total on TPS when Trump took office? Or the 15+ million illegal immigrant population?
Maybe stand up an "Office of Character Review for Visa holders, TPS and Authorized Immigrants". We could hire amies of social workers to determine if they think these people will be productive members of society or not.
That’s a good logistical question. Maybe localize/regionalize it similar to other ways state and community governments monitor programs and distribute funds. There are a lot of reporting mechanisms colleges and universities have to go through to continue to receive federal funding. Some similar type of structure could be set up. I think the city government in a place like Springfield would be able to parse that out working with schools, places of business, etc.
Local governments and community leaders probably have a better handle on who is contributing to society and who isn’t. Let them have a say in who stays and goes.
That’s a pretty naive suggestion. Are city leaders in sanctuary cities going to help the Feds with who they believe should go? Why don’t they do that today?
Every local government is going to stand up departments to cross reference criminal, education, welfare, employment histories to review thousands of people? Do we need character statements as well?
If you don’t want to enforce immigration laws or you believe TPS should actually be permanent, just say so. That would be honest.
Saying stuff like “this is exactly the kind of person we should want here” is an appeal no emotion and not a solution.
planning on going through the proper channels to live here permanently.
There is your answer.
No one's hand was forced to revoke their TPS status.
TPS status includes no right to stay here. It is not a substitute for immigration. There was no revocation. It expired. He didn’t voluntarily go home.
The bottom line is this. Why wouldn't we want to encourage immigrants who, by all accounts, want to be productive members of society? That's not a blanket statement that all Haitians should be given a proverbial blank check to stay. In this particular case, this kid was on a great path to becoming a great contributor to society. He wanted to be a doctor. He wanted to serve in the military. Those are the types of people we should want in this country.
The kid was mentally ill and obviously not on a good path in life. How about we don't turn his death into a political gotcha point.
That’s a pretty naive suggestion. Are city leaders in sanctuary cities going to help the Feds with who they believe should go? Why don’t they do that today?
Every local government is going to stand up departments to cross reference criminal, education, welfare, employment histories to review thousands of people? Do we need character statements as well?
If you don’t want to enforce immigration laws or you believe TPS should actually be permanent, just say so. That would be honest.
Saying stuff like “this is exactly the kind of person we should want here” is an appeal no emotion and not a solution.
State and local officials in Ohio have been pretty vocal about not extending TPS being a mistake. From Ohio's Republican Governor to Springfield's Republican Mayor, they've all gone on record to say they believe their Haitian community should stay and that they've largely been a net positive to the community and local economy.
And there aren't any local governments shielding criminals. If, in the case of the Springfield Haitian community, there were found to be people breaking laws, local leaders would want them deported as much as you currently do.
We DO want people in this country who want to serve in the military and aspire to be doctors. There's nothing emotional about that.
That’s a pretty naive suggestion. Are city leaders in sanctuary cities going to help the Feds with who they believe should go? Why don’t they do that today?
Every local government is going to stand up departments to cross reference criminal, education, welfare, employment histories to review thousands of people? Do we need character statements as well?
If you don’t want to enforce immigration laws or you believe TPS should actually be permanent, just say so. That would be honest.
Saying stuff like “this is exactly the kind of person we should want here” is an appeal no emotion and not a solution.
State and local officials in Ohio have been pretty vocal about not extending TPS being a mistake. From Ohio's Republican Governor to Springfield's Republican Mayor, they've all gone on record to say they believe their Haitian community should stay and that they've largely been a net positive to the community and local economy.
And there aren't any local governments shielding criminals. If, in the case of the Springfield Haitian community, there were found to be people breaking laws, local leaders would want them deported as much as you currently do.
We DO want people in this country who want to serve in the military and aspire to be doctors. There's nothing emotional about that.
We already had this discussion The local people voted overwhelming for Trump and deportations. It was the most red the county had been in like 40 years. You and Aloha were wrong the first time and are still wrong. If the local people loved the Haitian invasion they wouldn't have voted for the guy running on deporting them and turning it into a national story.
The kid was mentally ill and obviously not on a good path in life. How about we don't turn his death into a political gotcha point.
You have a weird definition of 'not on a good path.' He graduated high school and received local scholarships. Enrolled in college where he wanted to join ROTC and to train to be a doctor.
His mental health only came into question when he was faced with the humiliation of being branded a criminal and the possibility of being forcibly deported to a place that was very likely a danger to him and his family.
We already had this discussion The local people voted overwhelming for Trump and deportations. It was the most red the county had been in like 40 years. You and Aloha were wrong the first time and are still wrong. If the local people loved the Haitian invasion they wouldn't have voted for the guy running on deporting them and turning it into a national story.
Unfortunately people vote against their own self-interests all the time. And for what it's worth, Republican leadership in the city, county and state all spoke out against deporting the Haitian population before the 2024 election. The pleaded with Trump and Vance not to campaign there (they didn't). And they all talked about the negative impact removing the Haitian immigrants would have on the the community and economy.
There are any number of things the people of Clark County have buyer's remorse on with regard to voting for Trump. Once you lump on the effects of removing 12,000 -15,000 people contributing to the local economy, they'll have one more thing to lump onto that buyer's remorse list.
That’s a pretty naive suggestion. Are city leaders in sanctuary cities going to help the Feds with who they believe should go? Why don’t they do that today?
Every local government is going to stand up departments to cross reference criminal, education, welfare, employment histories to review thousands of people? Do we need character statements as well?
If you don’t want to enforce immigration laws or you believe TPS should actually be permanent, just say so. That would be honest.
Saying stuff like “this is exactly the kind of person we should want here” is an appeal no emotion and not a solution.
State and local officials in Ohio have been pretty vocal about not extending TPS being a mistake. From Ohio's Republican Governor to Springfield's Republican Mayor, they've all gone on record to say they believe their Haitian community should stay and that they've largely been a net positive to the community and local economy.
And there aren't any local governments shielding criminals. If, in the case of the Springfield Haitian community, there were found to be people breaking laws, local leaders would want them deported as much as you currently do.
We DO want people in this country who want to serve in the military and aspire to be doctors. There's nothing emotional about that.
We already had this discussion The local people voted overwhelming for Trump and deportations. It was the most red the county had been in like 40 years. You and Aloha were wrong the first time and are still wrong. If the local people loved the Haitian invasion they wouldn't have voted for the guy running on deporting them and turning it into a national story.
Once again, you've never been there and you're talking out your ass. I played frickin' golf with the Republican Mayor and. while he's a conservative Republican, he did not want to deport Haitians from town. Like many Republicans, he didn't believe everything Trump said. Trump says a lot of BS.