Musk is a capitalist blinded by greed, but Anthropic, which is set to have the largest IPO in history, is coming at the issue of AI regulation with entirely benevolent motivations.
Please note I have said government regulation isn't the answer. I still like stern laws, your AI causes deaths, destruction of property, etc, you will be caned, placed on an ant hill, and forced to watch Purdue football. Ok, that last may violate human rights.
The CEO of anthropic said today the incentive to be first is dangerous. So, let's create unbelievably harsh disincentive to creating unacceptable risk.
Musk is a capitalist blinded by greed, but Anthropic, which is set to have the largest IPO in history, is coming at the issue of AI regulation with entirely benevolent motivations.
Please note I have said government regulation isn't the answer. I still like stern laws, your AI causes deaths, destruction of property, etc, you will be caned, placed on an ant hill, and forced to watch Purdue football. Ok, that last may violate human rights.
The CEO of anthropic said today the incentive to be first is dangerous. So, let's create unbelievably harsh disincentive to creating unacceptable risk.
Why does Anthropic keep releasing new models and maintaining pole position if they believe that? This company full of people who stand to make 100’s of millions in an IPO are sounding the alarm on how AI will kill us all. It strikes me as a disconnect.
Is this the most altruistic collection of people in history?
The laws you speak of already exist for the most part.
The laws you speak of already exist for the most part.
Hmm, I missed Boeing's CEO going to jail.
Put aside the absurdity of you claiming you don’t want regulation, you just want draconian laws governing AI’s excesses.
Do you believe the Boeing CEO should be in jail, on what basis?
Boeing is exactly the problem. The FAA has guaranteed that Boeing and Airbus will be the only companies with the resources to meet their web of regulation. Despite that, accidents still happen.
You don’t see the irony of the argument you’re making. The argument you’re making wrt AI is essentially because air disasters happen, we’d be better off in a world without air travel.
@carramrod Boeing loved penny pinching everything. Why is it so impossible to believe that causes problems
I loved a Clarkson line in the old Top Gear. He was in a Corvette and said, "Hear that rattle? That is the sound of 1000 parts all built by the lowest bidder."
Whatever laws we have didn't make Boeing put safety over profit.
@arthur-dent this is for you only because I don’t want to hijack this thread. And maybe I’m misremembering. But I’m not entirely sure he thought it was safe. I bet in his heart of hearts he had suspicions and had come so far and put so much into it that he was willing to take risks. With his life.
and btw the cracking might be the creepiest scariest shit ever
@bar-down maybe, but he was warned carbon fiber could not do it before he got very far along. It cannot handle compression nearly as well as tensile. He then cancelled some of the testing.
I do not think he intended to get squished, I just think he was certain he was the smartest man in every room he walked into.
@carramrod Boeing loved penny pinching everything. Why is it so impossible to believe that causes problems
I loved a Clarkson line in the old Top Gear. He was in a Corvette and said, "Hear that rattle? That is the sound of 1000 parts all built by the lowest bidder."
Whatever laws we have didn't make Boeing put safety over profit.
That’s an absurdity. The FAA is charged with safety inspection and regulation of aircraft.
The FAA allowed a duopoly with support from Boeing who benefitted.
Duopoly’s can sacrifice product quality.
The car industry doesn’t have the same thing with automobile manufacturing. The NHTSA is reactive rather than proactive.
That’s why I can buy a Toyota and the only service it will need for two decades is oil changes and tire replacements.
You want safety, deregulate.
You want complacency, listen to those like Altman and Dario that seek their own duopoly.
@arthur-dent I don’t either. But I bet in his heart of hearts he thought it wasn’t 💯 he’d be getting out of that thing. The billionaire taking his kid was idiotic
Boeing is exactly the problem. The FAA has guaranteed that Boeing and Airbus will be the only companies with the resources to meet their web of regulation. Despite that, accidents still happen.
Bombardier was doing okay until Carney pissed off Trump.
@arthur-dent McDonnell Douglas was run by engineers. Boeing is run by mbas. Tantamount to the change in hospitals. @carramrod Boeing essentially regulated itself. The scheme it was allowed to operate under included considerable self policing
@arthur-dent McDonnell Douglas was run by engineers. Boeing is run by mbas. Tantamount to the change in hospitals. @carramrod Boeing essentially regulated itself. The scheme it was allowed to operate under included considerable self policing
Who will be called upon to regulate OpenAI and Anthropic? Airplane construction and AI are complex. You can’t find people off the street to do it. You’ll need to staff up with ex AI company employees with input from the companies themselves.
@carramrod right. And you need to pay them a shit ton. They ain’t working on the general schedule
@bar-down and you somehow believe that won’t lead to the same result as Boeing. Seems naive.
First thing they’ll do is crush open source models. You can’t allow anyone off the street to engage in AI development of course. There goes that competition. Then crush VC. Those startups won’t be able to meet the regulatory burden.
Then xAI, Gemini, MetaAI, Co-pilot and the rest will decide procuring from these frontier labs is easier and less costly than trying to change their core competency.
This of course isn’t theoretical.
- Hostility to Startups ("Little Tech"): Andreessen and co-founder Ben Horowitz argued in The Little Tech Agenda that the Biden administration's regulatory approach threatened early-stage startups. He claimed that White House discussions implied advanced AI would be restricted to just two or three massive legacy tech companies. [1, 2]
- The May 2024 White House Meetings: Following a spring 2024 meeting with Biden administration officials, Andreessen stated that staff members appeared "radicalized" and communicated that the government intended to heavily manage or control AI development. He cited these interactions as a major catalyst for his public political opposition. [1, 2]
- Fear Over Open-Source and Safety Mandates: Andreessen expressed fears that aggressive safety rules—such as utilizing the Defense Production Act via Executive Order 14110 to force safety test disclosures—and potential restrictions on open-weight models would stifle competitive ecosystems.