It was obvious at the time that they were risking our data. There was nothing conservative about the failed DOGE experiment.
Meanwhile the federal government has been hiring 10s of thousands of federal employees to replace those that were fired without any analysis of whether they were needed or not. Talk about boondoggles - I know some GS14 and 15 level federal employees who took the early separation option and spent six months at full pay doing NOTHING related to work, or whatever they wanted to do while laughing on their way to the bank, and at the same time the government ended up having to hire their replacements because their jobs weren't expendable (few at that level are) so the federal government effectively paid two people for one job for several months. Make that make sense.
350k roles cut and maybe 35k roles refilled. On balance I’d call that a win.
DOGE “failed” for a few reasons. None of which you touched on (unsurprisingly).
1. An 18-month runway was never going to be enough. This needed to be an effort carried on across an entire administration; several administrations actually.
2. Trump balked, like he did on mass deportations. Public heat go to him.
3. Trump and congress had no appetite to pass necessary recision packages.
Despite this it wasn’t a complete failure. Many DOGE staffers are now in full time appointed roles throughout the federal government, continuing the mission. They scored some massive political wins, USAID is effectively dead, 100’s of DEI contracts and nonsense education grants canceled. It severely crippled the leftist power base within the federal government
I'm not ever interested in your opinion on anything. You can save yourself the effort and never respond.
@aloha-hoosier why did you mention 10’s of thousands of roles refilled without the total number of roles removed? It’s essential context.
Were you uninformed or being dishonest?
You fucking dipshit, you could look for the data yourself. You claimed 350K jobs were cut and that's false. Just STFU. You're one of the most ignorant, disrespectful, annoying and stupid posters this board has ever seen.
Do not attempt to converse with me. I have zero respect for you. Zip.
@aloha-hoosier why did you mention 10’s of thousands of roles refilled without the total number of roles removed? It’s essential context.
Were you uninformed or being dishonest?
You fucking dipshit, you could look for the data yourself. You claimed 350K jobs were cut and that's false. Just STFU. You're one of the most ignorant, disrespectful, annoying and stupid posters this board has ever seen.
Do not attempt to converse with me. I have zero respect for you. Zip.
Whats your number? Mine is from the Office of Personnel Management.
Looks like the 350K number is accurate but it describes people who left fed jobs. 110,000 have been hired. Net loss of 242,000.
There's been a net decrease of 242,000 federal employees since Trump took office
Since January 20, 2025, about 352,000 federal employees have left their positions and about 110,000 have been hired.
Federal workforce separations and accessions since Trump took office
Arrow plot showing the number of federal separations and accessions since January 20, 2025.
200K150K100K50K050K100K150K
Resignations
154.8K
Retirements
127.2K
Other separations
50.8K
Reductions in force
10.5K
Transfers
9K
Accessions
110K
Thanks. Unlike Farv, you actually look up data before you post. I appreciate that. The point was 350K weren't reduced by DOGE, and 10s of thousands have been rehired.
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Not me. That was never the point of my criticism of the ridiculous DOGE experiment or the way they put personal data at risk.
We know. I'm not even sure many reputable papers or sites went that far. But I hear it from people I talk with IRL, and I've seen it written on the boards, because I remember pushing back and asking why the world's richest man would risk jail for that. I've had otherwise intelligent lawyers I know tell me it's because he'll never be caught or worry about being prosecuted, even though they admit there's no evidence to support it, but still believe it.
It's just like with these other conspiracy theories--you start with a modicum of truth, throw in some genuinely ambiguous facts, and then start building a story out of innuendo, and viola, you have an Bond villain controlling the White House, stealing everyone's data, and using it to build his AI supercomputer to rule the world! (last part humorous exagerration of course).
And yes, calling out the lack of evidence and logic behind these theories doesn't mean you can't also question the usefulness of DOGE or criticize its execution and handling to sensitive data.
Looks like the 350K number is accurate but it describes people who left fed jobs. 110,000 have been hired. Net loss of 242,000.
There's been a net decrease of 242,000 federal employees since Trump took office
Since January 20, 2025, about 352,000 federal employees have left their positions and about 110,000 have been hired.
Federal workforce separations and accessions since Trump took office
Arrow plot showing the number of federal separations and accessions since January 20, 2025.
200K150K100K50K050K100K150K
Resignations
154.8K
Retirements
127.2K
Other separations
50.8K
Reductions in force
10.5K
Transfers
9K
Accessions
110K
Thanks. Unlike Farv, you actually look up data before you post. I appreciate that. The point was 350K weren't reduced by DOGE, and 10s of thousands have been rehired.
Well I didn’t say the government froze hiring did I? That’s absurd. Splicing which reductions were directly due to DOGE or were regular retirement/ turnover is difficult. I still see estimates 300K+ directly due to DOGE.
But regardless. Still an excellent net reduction in head count, on that we can agree.
@dbmhoosier ehhh they are just rage baiting. They know he doesn’t have liquid assets to tax. People (not politicians) think it’s like having cash. People are generally ignorant.
The crazy progressive wing wants to tax wealth. This idea has failed in many countries that have tried it but failure in practice doesn't deter that group.
No one will convince me that the magnitude of the wealth disparity we're seeing today isn't a problem. The 19th century Progressives (Republicans) recognized it as well with the Gilded Age Robber Barons. I have no idea what might be a solution, or even if a solution is possible without blowing everything up.
That said, taxing wealth isn't some new Kommie inspired scheme. We tax wealth held real property, based on its current assessed valuation. No reason other forms of wealth held in stocks or debt or whatever couldn't be treated similarly, but I'm not convinced any such proposal would be implemented properly, regardless of which political party were to try it.
I'm not going to be around to see the fallout. All I'm doing for now is looking forward to the massive Social Security COLA that I'll be getting thanks to the Trump inflation. Thanks Donny.
The answer is easy. Switch to a deflationary monetary system and have a free market for the first time our lives. Productivity gains would the flow to all 8 billion people in the form of lower prices.
Eventually it will happen, but I assume we will have to go through full blown socialism first as power continues to centralize in the current fiat system. As people vote for more government thinking it will solve their problems, which will only make them worse.
@aloha-hoosier claiming you’re right and being right are two very different things. You didn’t actually make a contention other than “blah, you’re ignorant, don’t talk to me” so it’s not like you had any kind of point validated.
Brad showed I wasn’t just making up figures as you claimed. The actual number of roles vacated either directly or in part due to DOGE action is unknowable. Suffice to say it’s in the 100’s of thousands, and 10x+ any roles that needed to be refilled. We’re getting into math territory here and having done that a couple times with you before I know that can frustrate you.
My larger point, that you framed DOGE job turnover in a dishonest way stands, and you’ve yet to refute it. I approached in good faith, your initial screed against DOGE re: headcount was anything but.
