No. I didn’t. I was accurate and you were dishonest, just as you are now. Don’t attempt to converse with me. This will be my last polite response to you.@aloha-hoosier claiming you’re right and being right are two very different things. You didn’t actually make a contention other than “blah, you’re ignorant, don’t talk to me” so it’s not like you had any kind of point validated.
Brad showed I wasn’t just making up figures as you claimed. The actual number of roles vacated either directly or in part due to DOGE action is unknowable. Suffice to say it’s in the 100’s of thousands, and 10x+ any roles that needed to be refilled. We’re getting into math territory here and having done that a couple times with you before I know that can frustrate you.
My larger point, that you framed DOGE job turnover in a dishonest way stands, and you’ve yet to refute it. I approached in good faith, your initial screed against DOGE re: headcount was anything but.
No. I didn’t. I was accurate and you were dishonest, just as you are now. Don’t attempt to converse with me. This will be my last polite response to you.@aloha-hoosier claiming you’re right and being right are two very different things. You didn’t actually make a contention other than “blah, you’re ignorant, don’t talk to me” so it’s not like you had any kind of point validated.
Brad showed I wasn’t just making up figures as you claimed. The actual number of roles vacated either directly or in part due to DOGE action is unknowable. Suffice to say it’s in the 100’s of thousands, and 10x+ any roles that needed to be refilled. We’re getting into math territory here and having done that a couple times with you before I know that can frustrate you.
My larger point, that you framed DOGE job turnover in a dishonest way stands, and you’ve yet to refute it. I approached in good faith, your initial screed against DOGE re: headcount was anything but.
You are doing the digital version of stamping your feet, sticking your fingers in your ears, and screaming “lalala, I can’t hear you!”.
It is juvenile. You found a piece of information you feel validates you, what was it? You seem to like the response from the LLM that Brad shared. Do you like the one below just as much?
- Total Federal Workforce Decline: Federal employment fell by roughly 271,000 in the first 10 months of 2025 alone, representing a 9% decline since the start of the second Trump administration.
- Voluntary vs. Involuntary Cuts:
- Deferred Resignations: Over 150,000 workers left in a single wave in October 2025 after accepting a deferred resignation offer initiated by Elon Musk.
- Direct Layoffs: Significant "reductions in force" (RIFs) occurred in March 2025, with 216,215government employees fired in that month alone.
- Indirect and Contractor Impact:
- Estimates suggest over 216,000 job cuts in March 2025 were directly linked to DOGE actions, which included contractors and federal workers.
- The elimination of federal support and contract terminations led to additional losses in nonprofits and healthcare organizations, estimated at over 4,400 roles early in the initiative
@carramrod you just posted “blah, blah, blah, I’m a POS.” Just stop. You deserve nothing from me, and you’ll get nothing.
No. I didn’t. I was accurate and you were dishonest, just as you are now. Don’t attempt to converse with me. This will be my last polite response to you.@aloha-hoosier claiming you’re right and being right are two very different things. You didn’t actually make a contention other than “blah, you’re ignorant, don’t talk to me” so it’s not like you had any kind of point validated.
Brad showed I wasn’t just making up figures as you claimed. The actual number of roles vacated either directly or in part due to DOGE action is unknowable. Suffice to say it’s in the 100’s of thousands, and 10x+ any roles that needed to be refilled. We’re getting into math territory here and having done that a couple times with you before I know that can frustrate you.
My larger point, that you framed DOGE job turnover in a dishonest way stands, and you’ve yet to refute it. I approached in good faith, your initial screed against DOGE re: headcount was anything but.
You are doing the digital version of stamping your feet, sticking your fingers in your ears, and screaming “lalala, I can’t hear you!”.
It is juvenile. You found a piece of information you feel validates you, what was it? You seem to like the response from the LLM that Brad shared. Do you like the one below just as much?
As of June 2026, the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has directly or indirectly caused a reduction of approximately 270,000 to 420,000 roles within the federal workforce and associated sectors. [1, 2]Breakdown of Role Reductions
- Total Federal Workforce Decline: Federal employment fell by roughly 271,000 in the first 10 months of 2025 alone, representing a 9% decline since the start of the second Trump administration.
- Voluntary vs. Involuntary Cuts:
- Deferred Resignations: Over 150,000 workers left in a single wave in October 2025 after accepting a deferred resignation offer initiated by Elon Musk.
- Direct Layoffs: Significant "reductions in force" (RIFs) occurred in March 2025, with 216,215government employees fired in that month alone.
- Indirect and Contractor Impact:
- Estimates suggest over 216,000 job cuts in March 2025 were directly linked to DOGE actions, which included contractors and federal workers.
- The elimination of federal support and contract terminations led to additional losses in nonprofits and healthcare organizations, estimated at over 4,400 roles early in the initiative
You’re arguing with a guy that spent no less than 5 posts denying that 610<720.😆
Technically, I just copied the relevant stuff from the CNN article I posted. But I would expect any decent LLM grabs that, too.No. I didn’t. I was accurate and you were dishonest, just as you are now. Don’t attempt to converse with me. This will be my last polite response to you.@aloha-hoosier claiming you’re right and being right are two very different things. You didn’t actually make a contention other than “blah, you’re ignorant, don’t talk to me” so it’s not like you had any kind of point validated.
Brad showed I wasn’t just making up figures as you claimed. The actual number of roles vacated either directly or in part due to DOGE action is unknowable. Suffice to say it’s in the 100’s of thousands, and 10x+ any roles that needed to be refilled. We’re getting into math territory here and having done that a couple times with you before I know that can frustrate you.
My larger point, that you framed DOGE job turnover in a dishonest way stands, and you’ve yet to refute it. I approached in good faith, your initial screed against DOGE re: headcount was anything but.
You are doing the digital version of stamping your feet, sticking your fingers in your ears, and screaming “lalala, I can’t hear you!”.
It is juvenile. You found a piece of information you feel validates you, what was it? You seem to like the response from the LLM that Brad shared. Do you like the one below just as much?
As of June 2026, the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has directly or indirectly caused a reduction of approximately 270,000 to 420,000 roles within the federal workforce and associated sectors. [1, 2]Breakdown of Role Reductions
- Total Federal Workforce Decline: Federal employment fell by roughly 271,000 in the first 10 months of 2025 alone, representing a 9% decline since the start of the second Trump administration.
- Voluntary vs. Involuntary Cuts:
- Deferred Resignations: Over 150,000 workers left in a single wave in October 2025 after accepting a deferred resignation offer initiated by Elon Musk.
- Direct Layoffs: Significant "reductions in force" (RIFs) occurred in March 2025, with 216,215government employees fired in that month alone.
- Indirect and Contractor Impact:
- Estimates suggest over 216,000 job cuts in March 2025 were directly linked to DOGE actions, which included contractors and federal workers.
- The elimination of federal support and contract terminations led to additional losses in nonprofits and healthcare organizations, estimated at over 4,400 roles early in the initiative
Not me. That was never the point of my criticism of the ridiculous DOGE experiment or the way they put personal data at risk.
I don’t know why you have such a hard-on for DOGE unless it’s just another Trump bash. If it is not abundantly clear to you that the United States Government with its inside bureaucrats and outside rent seekers is the most inefficient and corrupt organization on the planet, it should be. Trump with DOGE started the conversation about addressing these problems. The first step in problem solving is persuading people to think about a problem differently. Musk started us on that path using blunt force. That didn’t work too well, but that doesn’t mean DOGE was a failure. I think Vance’s fraud focus is a result of DOGE, he has a long way to go. We have been bitching about waste and fraud in government for decades. For me the next logical step is to establish a permanent DOGE office with some real authority to fix the problems. As is usual with Trump, he starts most good things with a flash-bang and then it quickly gets shoved to the back burner. DOOGE is too important for that.
We have been bitching about waste and fraud in government for decades. For me the next logical step is to establish a permanent DOGE office with some real authority to fix the problems.
Why hasn't anyone thought of that before? I can envision something called Inspectors General, people empowered to audit departments and report any waste or inefficiencies found.
IG doesn't do "efficiency" though. Think COH is lumping inefficiency into "waste."We have been bitching about waste and fraud in government for decades. For me the next logical step is to establish a permanent DOGE office with some real authority to fix the problems.
Why hasn't anyone thought of that before? I can envision something called Inspectors General, people empowered to audit departments and report any waste or inefficiencies found.
Rightly or wrongly, Trump has reduced the federal work force by a quarter-of-a-million jobs. If you're a small government guy, I think you have to claim that as a win, don't you?
Not me. That was never the point of my criticism of the ridiculous DOGE experiment or the way they put personal data at risk.
I don’t know why you have such a hard-on for DOGE unless it’s just another Trump bash. If it is not abundantly clear to you that the United States Government with its inside bureaucrats and outside rent seekers is the most inefficient and corrupt organization on the planet, it should be. Trump with DOGE started the conversation about addressing these problems. The first step in problem solving is persuading people to think about a problem differently. Musk started us on that path using blunt force. That didn’t work too well, but that doesn’t mean DOGE was a failure. I think Vance’s fraud focus is a result of DOGE, he has a long way to go. We have been bitching about waste and fraud in government for decades. For me the next logical step is to establish a permanent DOGE office with some real authority to fix the problems. As is usual with Trump, he starts most good things with a flash-bang and then it quickly gets shoved to the back burner. DOOGE is too important for that.
Why waste your time Prof? @aloha-hoosier is a liberal is why he has a hard on for bashing DOGE. He was also for passing the liberal border bill. He's for abortions up to 16 weeks. And he voted for Biden. HE IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE.
lol. Yeah, let’s fix problems with more bureaucracies don’t give them real authority, and staff them with career government functionaries. Oh, and call the heads of the bureaucracies some kind of “ general”. That will solve the problems. If that doesn’t work, we can create the office of Jedi Master, .
I lost my fairly long response to you due to a computer glitch. I'll try again but make it briefer.
Not me. That was never the point of my criticism of the ridiculous DOGE experiment or the way they put personal data at risk.
I don’t know why you have such a hard-on for DOGE unless it’s just another Trump bash. If it is not abundantly clear to you that the United States Government with its inside bureaucrats and outside rent seekers is the most inefficient and corrupt organization on the planet, it should be. Trump with DOGE started the conversation about addressing these problems. The first step in problem solving is persuading people to think about a problem differently. Musk started us on that path using blunt force. That didn’t work too well, but that doesn’t mean DOGE was a failure. I think Vance’s fraud focus is a result of DOGE, he has a long way to go. We have been bitching about waste and fraud in government for decades. For me the next logical step is to establish a permanent DOGE office with some real authority to fix the problems. As is usual with Trump, he starts most good things with a flash-bang and then it quickly gets shoved to the back burner. DOOGE is too important for that.
I support the broad goals of DOGE, but DOGE was the most stupid way to attempt it that could be devised. It would be a ridiculous experiment doomed to failure under any President but only this President would think it was a great idea.
Inspector Generals have been watchdogs on government for fraud, ethics, and other violations of government laws and policies. Unfortunately, the President fired many of them without cause though it looks that he intended to get them out of the way so he could implement unethical and possibly illegal policies in various agencies. The government organization that is tasked with looking at the things DOGE was doing stupidly is the Government Accountability Office (GAO) go to their website and look at the reports of their investigations and their recommendations and the status of implementing their recommendations.
U.S. Government Accountability Office (U.S. GAO)
I've long been for reducing the size of government including rightsizing (reducing) the federal workforce but not for doing it in a silly unintelligent way like DOGE tried to do it. It'll take years to determine the damage they've done and who, in addition to the 10s of thousands already refilled (which is still happening, by the way, look at the IRS doing an expedited hiring of something like 7,000 personnel) there will be more. We did a reduction in force in the 90s which was done intelligently and analytically and didn't result in the damage. I like the efforts of downsizing and eventually cutting the Department of Education which I've been for since the 1990s. Actually, I opposed its formation. TSA security agents should never have been government employees when implemented after 9/11. There's a good target for cuts. Replace them with contractors ideally paid for by the airports and airlines. These things can be done intelligently too.
I originally had a lot more about DOGE and its obvious failures, but I don't have the time or desire to type it all again. There is a lot of analysis out there from the right, left and center and I don't recall reading any that called DOGE a success and plenty that talk about its failures and negative impacts. Hell, they didn't even save much money - they claimed to be gunning for trillions in savings (only morons would have believed that) and if they saved anything (various estimates) it was a tiny fraction. It all adds up to an epic failure to reach goals many of us support.
Here's one. Feel free to look for more.
I lost my fairly long response to you due to a computer glitch. I'll try again but make it briefer.
Not me. That was never the point of my criticism of the ridiculous DOGE experiment or the way they put personal data at risk.
I don’t know why you have such a hard-on for DOGE unless it’s just another Trump bash. If it is not abundantly clear to you that the United States Government with its inside bureaucrats and outside rent seekers is the most inefficient and corrupt organization on the planet, it should be. Trump with DOGE started the conversation about addressing these problems. The first step in problem solving is persuading people to think about a problem differently. Musk started us on that path using blunt force. That didn’t work too well, but that doesn’t mean DOGE was a failure. I think Vance’s fraud focus is a result of DOGE, he has a long way to go. We have been bitching about waste and fraud in government for decades. For me the next logical step is to establish a permanent DOGE office with some real authority to fix the problems. As is usual with Trump, he starts most good things with a flash-bang and then it quickly gets shoved to the back burner. DOOGE is too important for that.
I support the broad goals of DOGE, but DOGE was the most stupid way to attempt it that could be devised. It would be a ridiculous experiment doomed to failure under any President but only this President would think it was a great idea.
Inspector Generals have been watchdogs on government for fraud, ethics, and other violations of government laws and policies. Unfortunately, the President fired many of them without cause though it looks that he intended to get them out of the way so he could implement unethical and possibly illegal policies in various agencies. The government organization that is tasked with looking at the things DOGE was doing stupidly is the Government Accountability Office (GAO) go to their website and look at the reports of their investigations and their recommendations and the status of implementing their recommendations.
U.S. Government Accountability Office (U.S. GAO)
I've long been for reducing the size of government including rightsizing (reducing) the federal workforce but not for doing it in a silly unintelligent way like DOGE tried to do it. It'll take years to determine the damage they've done and who, in addition to the 10s of thousands already refilled (which is still happening, by the way, look at the IRS doing an expedited hiring of something like 7,000 personnel) there will be more. We did a reduction in force in the 90s which was done intelligently and analytically and didn't result in the damage. I like the efforts of downsizing and eventually cutting the Department of Education which I've been for since the 1990s. Actually, I opposed its formation. TSA security agents should never have been government employees when implemented after 9/11. There's a good target for cuts. Replace them with contractors ideally paid for by the airports and airlines. These things can be done intelligently too.
I originally had a lot more about DOGE and its obvious failures, but I don't have the time or desire to type it all again. There is a lot of analysis out there from the right, left and center and I don't recall reading any that called DOGE a success and plenty that talk about its failures and negative impacts. Hell, they didn't even save much money - they claimed to be gunning for trillions in savings (only morons would have believed that) and if they saved anything (various estimates) it was a tiny fraction. It all adds up to an epic failure to reach goals many of us support.
Here's one. Feel free to look for more.
A Soros funded, progressive non-proft. Look at this Republican go ya'll!
Dipshit. I said look for more - are you stupid? Never mind, you are. CATO and other right leaning organizations also have good critiques. That's just the first one and despite your ridiculous post it has a lot of actual facts in it. Now stop responding to me, dumbass.I lost my fairly long response to you due to a computer glitch. I'll try again but make it briefer.
Not me. That was never the point of my criticism of the ridiculous DOGE experiment or the way they put personal data at risk.
I don’t know why you have such a hard-on for DOGE unless it’s just another Trump bash. If it is not abundantly clear to you that the United States Government with its inside bureaucrats and outside rent seekers is the most inefficient and corrupt organization on the planet, it should be. Trump with DOGE started the conversation about addressing these problems. The first step in problem solving is persuading people to think about a problem differently. Musk started us on that path using blunt force. That didn’t work too well, but that doesn’t mean DOGE was a failure. I think Vance’s fraud focus is a result of DOGE, he has a long way to go. We have been bitching about waste and fraud in government for decades. For me the next logical step is to establish a permanent DOGE office with some real authority to fix the problems. As is usual with Trump, he starts most good things with a flash-bang and then it quickly gets shoved to the back burner. DOOGE is too important for that.
I support the broad goals of DOGE, but DOGE was the most stupid way to attempt it that could be devised. It would be a ridiculous experiment doomed to failure under any President but only this President would think it was a great idea.
Inspector Generals have been watchdogs on government for fraud, ethics, and other violations of government laws and policies. Unfortunately, the President fired many of them without cause though it looks that he intended to get them out of the way so he could implement unethical and possibly illegal policies in various agencies. The government organization that is tasked with looking at the things DOGE was doing stupidly is the Government Accountability Office (GAO) go to their website and look at the reports of their investigations and their recommendations and the status of implementing their recommendations.
U.S. Government Accountability Office (U.S. GAO)
I've long been for reducing the size of government including rightsizing (reducing) the federal workforce but not for doing it in a silly unintelligent way like DOGE tried to do it. It'll take years to determine the damage they've done and who, in addition to the 10s of thousands already refilled (which is still happening, by the way, look at the IRS doing an expedited hiring of something like 7,000 personnel) there will be more. We did a reduction in force in the 90s which was done intelligently and analytically and didn't result in the damage. I like the efforts of downsizing and eventually cutting the Department of Education which I've been for since the 1990s. Actually, I opposed its formation. TSA security agents should never have been government employees when implemented after 9/11. There's a good target for cuts. Replace them with contractors ideally paid for by the airports and airlines. These things can be done intelligently too.
I originally had a lot more about DOGE and its obvious failures, but I don't have the time or desire to type it all again. There is a lot of analysis out there from the right, left and center and I don't recall reading any that called DOGE a success and plenty that talk about its failures and negative impacts. Hell, they didn't even save much money - they claimed to be gunning for trillions in savings (only morons would have believed that) and if they saved anything (various estimates) it was a tiny fraction. It all adds up to an epic failure to reach goals many of us support.
Here's one. Feel free to look for more.
A Soros funded, progressive non-proft. Look at this Republican go ya'll!
@aloha-hoosier it's actually heavily opinion laden. Seemingly asserts that a larger federal workforce is an absolute good and should be a goal in and of itself. It tries to outline some mission failures that are altogether unconvincing and likely temporary.
I don't believe you even read it.