@big-ryan no spartan nailed it. He’s objective. You’re a million miles from it and why no one should take you seriously. Some of you dems are just noise. Hickories. Spartans nailed it. You’re so biased you render yourselves worthless posters. Shills
@unclemark there seems to be a lot of confusion if starlink, starshield, or both, are throttled for Ukraine. If starshield, Musk has no power. If starlink, it could be either.
Musk has retained technical influence over how Starshield functions and COULD throttle service, although that would likely be illegal.
@big-ryan no spartan nailed it. He’s objective. You’re a million miles from it and why no one should take you seriously. Some of you dems are just noise. Hickories. Spartans nailed it. You’re so biased you render yourselves worthless posters. Shills
LMAO. "Objective" Spartans nailed nothing. And you, in typical fashion, launched another unprovoked personal attack out of left field. Why are you so frequently unhinged?
I'll ask you the same question, although I'm wasting my time. Assuming, as the other poster suggested, that this was Trump's doing, when was the last time a US president hobbled the military communications and defense capabilities of a partner country that is fighting for its life?
Trump's actions are uniquely egregious. Your false equivalences are of no value.
@big-ryan no spartan nailed you. You’re a child. If Biden was in office this would have been strategic. When you bleat incessantly like you do in one direction you’re of no value. You’re just bowlhickory. What spartan said you should take to heart. Learn from his words. Grow up
@big-ryan no spartan nailed you. You’re a child. If Biden was in office this would have been strategic. When you bleat incessantly like you do in one direction you’re of no value. You’re just bowlhickory. What spartan said you should take to heart. Learn from his words. Grow up
When was the last time a US president hobbled the military communications and defense capabilities of a partner country that is fighting for its life?
Gemini's response:@big-ryan no spartan nailed you. You’re a child. If Biden was in office this would have been strategic. When you bleat incessantly like you do in one direction you’re of no value. You’re just bowlhickory. What spartan said you should take to heart. Learn from his words. Grow up
When was the last time a US president hobbled the military communications and defense capabilities of a partner country that is fighting for its life?
- The War in Ukraine (Biden Administration): Critics of the administration's policy have argued that restrictions placed on Ukraine's use of US-provided long-range weapons (such as ATACMS) to strike targets deep inside Russian territory effectively limited Ukraine's defense capabilities while it was fighting for its survival. Conversely, the administration and its supporters defended these limits as a necessary strategic measure to prevent a direct escalation and potential nuclear conflict between the United States/NATO and Russia. Additionally, separate debates have occurred regarding private satellite networks (like Starlink) being restricted in certain combat zones, though these were decisions by private entities rather than direct presidential directives.
- The First Impeachment of Donald Trump (2019): This instance involved the withholding of $391 million in congressionally mandated military aid to Ukraine, which was at the time engaged in a low-intensity conflict with Russian-backed separatists in the Donbas region. Critics argued that delaying this aid, which included defensive weaponry and communications equipment, undermined a partner nation's national security for domestic political leverage. President Trump and his defenders maintained that the hold was a legitimate measure to assess corruption in Ukraine and to pressure European allies into contributing more financial support.
- The 1973 Yom Kippur War (Nixon Administration): During the initial days of the war, when Israel was facing coordinated surprise attacks from Egypt and Syria and experiencing heavy equipment losses, there was a multi-day delay in the American re-supply effort. Critics and some historians attributed the delay to a deliberate attempt by the Nixon administration, particularly Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, to manage the geopolitical outcome or avoid provoking Arab oil-producing nations. However, other historical records suggest the delay was primarily caused by logistical challenges, disagreements over using civilian versus military airlifts, and a desire to exhaust diplomatic ceasefire options before launching what ultimately became Operation Nickel Grass—a massive airlift that successfully replenished Israel's military capabilities.
@big-ryan I’m not too worried about it to be honest. How long has this gone on. How much are we supposed to spend to fund it. Maybe this will get Zelensky to bargain. Maybe Zelensky should be replaced with someone who can cut a deal. We don’t even have enough shit for a skirmish with Iran.
“Siding with Putin” goes too far. He’s kept the old sanctions, and American weapons still reach Ukraine. But Europe pays for them now.It's that he's actively siding with Putin.
I don't think his actions show he's on Russia’s side. He’s on the side of the war ending, and he’s decided Ukraine is the cheaper one to lean on. That’s bad enough.
who are these Democrats that won't make those statements? Biden was terrible, Trump was/is terrible, and I wouldn't go as far as saying Obama's second term was terrible but it certainly was very disappointing.I’’m talking about taxpayer dollars flowing to this outfit that was supplying weapons that Assad used on civilians. It continued to flow even after it was public knowledge this was occurring. Did Congress push back on this happening? Did the Pentagon continue to contract with them? Did they look for alternatives? Mi-17 helicopters…used for what?
Did assad turn around and give money to Iran to purchase weapons to target US assets?
In the last week, we shut off Starlink to Ukraine, stopped giving them early warning of strikes, and now fund the Russian (and Iranian) military. Look at the whole picture.
Oh…I’m looking at the whole picture. Others are blinded by Trump. Some think Europe quit buying Russian diesel…wrong. And on and on. Trump has screwed the pooch in Iran because he’s soft and wants people to like him. Also…he’s been terrible this term. I can admit that. Obama was terrible his second term. Biden was terrible. You won’t find many Democrats signing up to make those statements
@mrhighlife the left loons on this board. Bowl. Hickory etc. the trump obsessed children.
@spartans9312 how exactly has Trump been terrible this term?
UKRAINE and this bullshit bromance with pootin. That is #1 on my list.
Tantrums don't change outcomes
Losing is part of life. Sometimes the answer is simply NO.
WSJ is now reporting the Starshield slowdown was at Musk's direction.
Fitzpatrick is right. This disgraceful act, which resulted in casualties, calls for a full investigation.
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick vows investigation Ukraine Starshield outage
Exclusive | Musk Ordered Starlink Slowdown That Blindsided Ukraine - WSJ
He’s taking PR heat for Trump
Yeah, there's no way Musk does that unilaterally. Musk may have given the direction, but he did it on Trump's order.
Elon doesn’t have final say on military communications when pentagon is involved
@spartans9312 how exactly has Trump been terrible this term?
Being chicken shit with Iran…if you are going to play the game you play to win. You’ll disagree but the economy sucks…probably not all his fault but he gets the blame just like he would get the credit vice versa. His inability to shut his mouth.
Border is a win
Gemini's response:@big-ryan no spartan nailed you. You’re a child. If Biden was in office this would have been strategic. When you bleat incessantly like you do in one direction you’re of no value. You’re just bowlhickory. What spartan said you should take to heart. Learn from his words. Grow up
When was the last time a US president hobbled the military communications and defense capabilities of a partner country that is fighting for its life?
There is no single historical or contemporary consensus matching this specific description, as actions by US presidents regarding foreign military aid and communications are interpreted in vastly different ways depending on political, strategic, and historical perspectives.Depending on the context and viewpoint, discussions around US presidents restricting, delaying, or altering the defense or communications capabilities of a partner nation in conflict often point to a few key historical and modern examples:Key Historical & Contemporary Contexts
- The War in Ukraine (Biden Administration): Critics of the administration's policy have argued that restrictions placed on Ukraine's use of US-provided long-range weapons (such as ATACMS) to strike targets deep inside Russian territory effectively limited Ukraine's defense capabilities while it was fighting for its survival. Conversely, the administration and its supporters defended these limits as a necessary strategic measure to prevent a direct escalation and potential nuclear conflict between the United States/NATO and Russia. Additionally, separate debates have occurred regarding private satellite networks (like Starlink) being restricted in certain combat zones, though these were decisions by private entities rather than direct presidential directives.
- The First Impeachment of Donald Trump (2019): This instance involved the withholding of $391 million in congressionally mandated military aid to Ukraine, which was at the time engaged in a low-intensity conflict with Russian-backed separatists in the Donbas region. Critics argued that delaying this aid, which included defensive weaponry and communications equipment, undermined a partner nation's national security for domestic political leverage. President Trump and his defenders maintained that the hold was a legitimate measure to assess corruption in Ukraine and to pressure European allies into contributing more financial support.
- The 1973 Yom Kippur War (Nixon Administration): During the initial days of the war, when Israel was facing coordinated surprise attacks from Egypt and Syria and experiencing heavy equipment losses, there was a multi-day delay in the American re-supply effort. Critics and some historians attributed the delay to a deliberate attempt by the Nixon administration, particularly Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, to manage the geopolitical outcome or avoid provoking Arab oil-producing nations. However, other historical records suggest the delay was primarily caused by logistical challenges, disagreements over using civilian versus military airlifts, and a desire to exhaust diplomatic ceasefire options before launching what ultimately became Operation Nickel Grass—a massive airlift that successfully replenished Israel's military capabilities.
"No single consensus..." "Critics argue..." "Defenders maintain..." Typical Gemini response.
I say the implementation of the Starshield slowdown was consistent with an order (that was by or went through Trump) designed to, suddenly and without warning, hamper Ukraine's military/weapons communications and ability to defend itself. What do YOU say, Brad? When was the last time a US president hobbled the military communications and defense capabilities of a partner country that is fighting for its life?