I also think folks are going too far in saying unequivocally that Russia only “tried”. Though I don’t know of any way of quantifying it, I think you’re living in an alternate reality if you think Russian interference didn’t have some impact. Heck, consider the indictment against Tenet Media. Those same type of voices are amplified here (and deeply believed without any level of critical thinking) on the daily.
I think that is it, they have some impact but we can't measure it. We know going back to Ferguson that Russia spent a lot of time enflaming the right and left against each other. We can't measure their impact in what happened, but it is fair to say it had to have some impact.
That said, I'd put money on Comey having a bigger impact in 2016 if we could measure impacts.
I also think folks are going too far in saying unequivocally that Russia only “tried”. Though I don’t know of any way of quantifying it, I think you’re living in an alternate reality if you think Russian interference didn’t have some impact. Heck, consider the indictment against Tenet Media. Those same type of voices are amplified here (and deeply believed without any level of critical thinking) on the daily.
I think that is it, they have some impact but we can't measure it. We know going back to Ferguson that Russia spent a lot of time enflaming the right and left against each other. We can't measure their impact in what happened, but it is fair to say it had to have some impact.
That said, I'd put money on Comey having a bigger impact in 2016 if we could measure impacts.
I also wouldn't understate the cost, depth, range, volume, scope and nature of the extreme and prolonged disinformation effort.
Wow.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1948046739799412920?t=oPxUaLwOrKECVa7j7oBVhA&s=19
https://twitter.com/C__Herridge/status/1948035564071956867?t=AVK6Wl7gBHFV_6oUIUT1Jg&s=19
https://twitter.com/C__Herridge/status/1948028961729966404?t=gW0V7cMO4IhHTXAxkmGiHA&s=19
You were a prime target of Russian disinformation. Still are. LOL!Wow
President Trump's own CIA Director just confirmed that Russia was trying to influence the election in favor of Trump. I'd say don't be a dupe, but it's impossible for you not to be a dupe. It's your thing. Have at it.
https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/1948081451611881734?t=m812H-hQTfaES1ttTcmu6Q&s=19
Why do you fall for this stuff? It's all distraction theater. Even you know that they've bungled the handling of the Epstein Files. Almost everything Trump has talked about in the last week has been an effort to throw red meat to his base to distract them from the secrecy surrounding those files.
@dbmhoosier I can just see smoke coming out of his ears, just like the cartoon characters. Speaking of cartoon characters…
And now back to important, non-BS current affairs.Elon was right. Trump was briefed in May that he is all over the Epstein files.
As I read it, on 12/8/2016 Obama receives a PDB that contained the information on Russian actions wrt 2016 election interference. The information in that brief was to be published the next day as the IC assessment.
12/9/2016, publishing of the brief is halted and Obama and his intel big shots meet at the White House. After that meeting, a directive is given for a new assessment.
A new assessment is crafted using intel that falls far below any semblance of IC standards and is protested by several intel analysts for its sub-standard intelligence. “Yeah but it rings true right” Brennan notoriously says. That assessment is then published on 1/6/2017. The information in that brief heavily contradicts any and all IC assessments of the previous six months.
Pretty open and shut case of the Obama administration trying to implicate Trump. At the very least cast the specter of Russian assistance over his administration. Yeah, Obama, Brennan, Comey, Clapper are devious evil pieces of shit. What else is new?
@aloha-hoosier if you can’t come out and say that the Russian cyber campaign had no effect on the 2016 election you are every bit the sour grapes, deluded, pathetic loser you accuse Dbm of being wrt to 2020.
No one has any idea how much of an effect it had and who was swayed by it.
Although the odds are not in your favor of it having zero effect. Like flipping a quarter 1000 times without seeing how it landed and trying to tell us it never landed on heads. May be right but I'm not betting on it.
The difference between you and me Grover is that if I flipped a coin 1000 times I would expect it to land on heads roughly 500 times.
All I’m asking for is some data with respect to Russian influence operations. Something that shows the extent of the influence.
I shared some. Facebook testified that between 2015 and 2017 an American Facebook user would have to scroll through 22K pieces of content on the Facebook newsfeed to come across one piece of content from the Internet Research Agency (Kremlin backed troll farm). Why don’t you guys ever share that piece of data?
All I get from you absolute clowns is.
“It’s a certainty that Russia impacted the election in Trump’s favor. But it’s also certain that impact can’t be quantified. But the unquantifiable impact is absolutely certain.”
You guys all sound like morons.
As I read it, on 12/8/2016 Obama receives a PDB that contained the information on Russian actions wrt 2016 election interference. The information in that brief was to be published the next day as the IC assessment.
12/9/2016, publishing of the brief is halted and Obama and his intel big shots meet at the White House. After that meeting, a directive is given for a new assessment.
A new assessment is crafted using intel that falls far below any semblance of IC standards and is protested by several intel analysts for its sub-standard intelligence. “Yeah but it rings true right” Brennan notoriously says. That assessment is then published on 1/6/2017. The information in that brief heavily contradicts any and all IC assessments of the previous six months.
Pretty open and shut case of the Obama administration trying to implicate Trump. At the very least cast the specter of Russian assistance over his administration. Yeah, Obama, Brennan, Comey, Clapper are devious evil pieces of shit. What else is new?
There's no lower form of human life in American politics than Donald Trump. A total sleeze, lifelong conman, perennial liar and a generally horrible human being. He's on the express train to the 7th layer of hell.
I shared some. Facebook testified that between 2015 and 2017 an American Facebook user would have to scroll through 22K pieces of content on the Facebook newsfeed to come across one piece of content from the Internet Research Agency (Kremlin backed troll farm). Why don’t you guys ever share that piece of data?
Question: Did that statistic take into account the algorithm?
If you take the number of Russian content pieces and divide that by the total number of pieces of content on Facebook, is that where the 22,000 number comes from?
Let's be honest. Your Facebook feed looks much different from mine. Yours likely has alot of links to right-leaning sources, mine has a lot of half-naked Korean dancing girls (hey...I don't judge).
It is my understanding that the Russian troll farm was not only generating false content, but specifically targeting certain demographics / voting areas (like Wisconsin / Michigan / Pennsylvania).
It is a somewhat devious system. The majority of your Facebook friends are likely relatively local to you. All it takes is one of your friends to click on the Russian link and comment on it, and now your friends in your same demographic and region will also see that same post. Even if you just read your friends post (without actually clicking on the link), the algorithm is still tracking how long you linger on stories. It now thinks that you have an interest in those sources and will give you more of it. The odds of you seeing a Russian Troll post just went up by a factor of 10.
So yeah, statistics can be telling, but there are broad statistics and focused statistics. The average American may have needed to go through 22,000 links to see a Russian one. But a voter in a swing state like Wisconsin in Kenosha county, that number might be closer to 1 in 500.