There is an influx of tax dollars, but there is also an influx of government services used. The question then is do they pay more in taxes than they use. Do you really think the bottom half of society pays the majority of taxes? Hop on Grok and run the numbers.
You're all over the map here. I never suggested Haitian immigrants are paying the majority of taxes in Springfield. But, again, adding as many as 20,000 people to a city of just under 60,000 people is going to greatly impact the bottom line, even if they're in lower tax brackets. I'm sure there is an increase in government services used, but I'd guess that is proportional.
No, you're lost and I'm trying to explain what you're missing. Why would you think government services are proportional? The middle/upper/wealth classes aren't using welfare programs and they pay a majority of the education costs (which usually is the largest expenditure in state governments).
No, you're lost and I'm trying to explain what you're missing. Why would you think government services are proportional? The middle/upper/wealth classes aren't using welfare programs and they pay a majority of the education costs (which usually is the largest expenditures in state governments).
Do you think that if whatever Haitians are paying in taxes wasn't a net positive for the city/county/state the Republican mayor of Springfield and Republican governor of Ohio would be speaking out against revoking TPS?
The first group came in 2018.@aloha-hoosier per usually you're the one talking out your a#%. The majority of them came in 2021-24. And once again the voters overwhelmingly voted for Trump because they were pissed off that their city was invaded. Your stories were cute though.
You’re 100 percent talking out your ass.
How so? The majority of them came in 2021-24. Data below:
Timeline of Arrival
The influx was not driven by a single government resettlement program but by economic opportunity, word-of-mouth networks, staffing agencies, and U.S. legal protections (especially Temporary Protected Status or TPS for Haiti).
• Pre-2020/early years: Small numbers arrived. Some trace back to around 2017, with Haitians drawn by manufacturing/warehouse jobs in a city recovering from long-term population and industrial decline.
• Acceleration ~2020–2021: Notable growth began around 2020–2021. Key factors included the COVID-19 labor shortages, Haiti’s 2021 presidential assassination and ongoing instability/gang violence, and TPS extensions. Many came from other U.S. states (e.g., Florida) or via prior paths through South America.
• Peak surge 2022–2024: Rapid increase to the 10k–15k+ range. Employers recruited for factories, warehouses (e.g., Amazon), food processing, etc. Affordable housing and positive reports from early arrivals fueled chain migration. By mid-2024, officials estimated 12,000–15,000 (or more) immigrants in Clark County, mostly Haitian.
@snarlcakes They started coming in 2018. You’re didn’t need to prove that to me. I already looked it up.
No, you're lost and I'm trying to explain what you're missing. Why would you think government services are proportional? The middle/upper/wealth classes aren't using welfare programs and they pay a majority of the education costs (which usually is the largest expenditures in state governments).
Do you think that if whatever Haitians are paying in taxes wasn't a net positive for the city/county/state the Republican mayor of Springfield and Republican governor of Ohio would be speaking out against revoking TPS?
Yes. A lot of Rhinos are for cheap labor.
https://twitter.com/profstonge/status/2082153565192167848?s=46
@scam-likely per usual you only have woke feelz and no real understanding or knowledge outside of what appears to be music and movies. obama and clinton had the right stance on immigration. the cartoon caricature of dems derives from their cartoonish policies. with a docket that would already take years to get through biden cut wall funding, ended asyslum agreements, title 42, remain in mexico, and we saw millions of people cross over that we had no way to 1) account for and 2) house and support. the number he let in was the equivalent of adding another large state.
my advice is stick to the otf and movie/tv/music threads. you're out of your depth in politics. or toothless emojis.
https://twitter.com/i/status/2082828956110135617
https://twitter.com/i/status/2082822922817671543
Those pics of Spain look like our border under Dems…
https://twitter.com/txhcrep/status/2082817611948060683?s=61&t=1KiTJ7EYgX-uQgf4Wkb9sg
https://twitter.com/tiber_3/status/2082500561199346170?s=46
https://twitter.com/tiber_3/status/2082500561199346170?s=46
@arthur-dent diversity is our strength eh, even if they don’t identify as Americans?
https://twitter.com/tiber_3/status/2082500561199346170?s=46
I'm against open borders. Prefer controlled, strategic immigration but your first tweet is misleading.
From the same Pew research: 72% of 3rd gen or higher US born Hispanics consider themselves "typical Americans" as opposed to "very different from typical Americans" -- Pew wasn't questioning allegiance in the part you retweeted.
Horse's mouth:
https://twitter.com/tiber_3/status/2082500561199346170?s=46
I'm against open borders. Prefer controlled, strategic immigration but your first tweet is misleading.
From the same Pew research: 72% of 3rd gen or higher US born Hispanics consider themselves "typical Americans" as opposed to "very different from typical Americans" -- Pew wasn't questioning allegiance in the part you retweeted.
Horse's mouth:
The tweet isn't misleading and your counter example is weak. Asking someone if they consider themselves a Mexican, American, or Hispanic is a much more objective question then do you consider yourself a "typical American".
Putting that side the takeaway is it takes several generations for foreigners to consider themselves Americans. Most likely at least 4, which isn't surprising.
https://twitter.com/tiber_3/status/2082500561199346170?s=46
I'm against open borders. Prefer controlled, strategic immigration but your first tweet is misleading.
From the same Pew research: 72% of 3rd gen or higher US born Hispanics consider themselves "typical Americans" as opposed to "very different from typical Americans" -- Pew wasn't questioning allegiance in the part you retweeted.
Horse's mouth:
The tweet isn't misleading and your counter example is weak. Asking someone if they consider themselves a Mexican, American, or Hispanic is a much more objective question then do you consider yourself a "typical American".
Putting that side the takeaway is it takes several generations for foreigners to consider themselves Americans. Most likely at least 4, which isn't surprising.
Lol. Trying to use this poll to make a point about allegiance or assimilation is actually the weak sauce. Plenty of reasons to support sensible immigration policy without this lazy narrative.