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Butch Crawling's avatar
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Posted by: @littlebitchbuckeye

Posted by: @big-ryan
You've managed to unite atheists, agnostics and Christians in a chorus of "You're full of shit."  Well done!

I don't believe any faithful follower of Christ would respond in the manner that I've seen here. I can share compelling evidence that Catholicism is NOT Jesus's church here on Earth. As for you, your hatred of me stems from the fact that you are of this world and are opposed to truth, especially the truth of God. You should change before you stand in judgment before Christ. 

 

Trump's AI-generated depiction of himself as Jesus is blasphemous.  You worship a false idol.  Hell, it's even money on whether he's the anti-Christ. Either way, he's a force of evil.  

You'd better get your own shit together before worrying about mine. 

 


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Posted by: @arthur-dent

@littlebitchbuckeye Do you know that the Quran does in fact call Jesus the Messiah?

˹Remember˺ when the angels proclaimed, “O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word1 from Him, his name will be the Messiah,2 Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.

The same Google search that led me to above says the word Messiah is used 9 times in reference to Jesus.

Clearly there are huge differences between the religions. But I see no issue with trying to show respect when meeting people to build bridges. 

The word "messiah" in the Koran does not have the same meaning as it does in the Christian scriptures. Jesus is only a prophet in Islam and not the savior of all beings.

AI:

According to the Quran, Allah (God) is the only Savior and Deliverer who saves humanity from sin and the consequences of wrong actions. While Prophet Muhammad is regarded as a mercy to the worlds (21:107) and a guide, the Quran does not present him or any other prophet as a personal savior in the traditional, external sense.

 


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Topic starter Posted : 04/13/2026 2:06 pm
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

But I see no issue with trying to show respect when meeting people to build bridges. 

Are you a Christian?


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Topic starter Posted : 04/13/2026 2:07 pm
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Posted by: @littlebitchbuckeye

Are you a Christian?

Do I accept the Prince of Peace? Yes. 


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Posted : 04/13/2026 2:18 pm
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Posted by: @littlebitchbuckeye

Posted by: @arthur-dent

@littlebitchbuckeye Do you know that the Quran does in fact call Jesus the Messiah?

˹Remember˺ when the angels proclaimed, “O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word1 from Him, his name will be the Messiah,2 Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.

The same Google search that led me to above says the word Messiah is used 9 times in reference to Jesus.

Clearly there are huge differences between the religions. But I see no issue with trying to show respect when meeting people to build bridges. 

The word "messiah" in the Koran does not have the same meaning as it does in the Christian scriptures. Jesus is only a prophet in Islam and not the savior of all beings.

AI:

According to the Quran, Allah (God) is the only Savior and Deliverer who saves humanity from sin and the consequences of wrong actions. While Prophet Muhammad is regarded as a mercy to the worlds (21:107) and a guide, the Quran does not present him or any other prophet as a personal savior in the traditional, external sense.

 

Islam believes Jesus was a human anointed to do special things. And that he will come back to defeat the "false prophet".  Did you know that Jefferson, Adams, and other founders had that belief? They would refer to their beliefs Christian Diests or rational Christians. Adams thought God coming to earth to be spat upon as absurd. Jefferson cut the resurrection out of his Bible. If Trump were to kiss the Declaration for the 250th ceremony, would you object? 

I doubt we agree on much. Revelations, for example, was written about Christians struggling inside the Roman Empire, and Nero was the antichrist. So those events were allegory and not awaiting us in the future. 

 


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Posted : 04/13/2026 2:26 pm
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Below is the Pope humbling himself as Jesus and the Apostles taught.

Luke 14:11 esv
For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.

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Topic starter Posted : 04/13/2026 2:58 pm
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

If Trump were to kiss the Declaration for the 250th ceremony, would you object?

Does Trump claim to be the "Vicar" of Christ?


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Topic starter Posted : 04/13/2026 2:59 pm
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

I doubt we agree on much. Revelations, for example, was written about Christians struggling inside the Roman Empire, and Nero was the antichrist. So those events were allegory and not awaiting us in the future. 

On that we agree. 

Let me ask you another question. Do you agree with the Catholic Church's teaching that the only path to our Heavenly Father's Kingdom is through the Catholic Church?


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Topic starter Posted : 04/13/2026 3:01 pm
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

Do I accept the Prince of Peace? Yes. 

Jesus gave our Heavenly Father the name "Holy Father". Do you believe it's appropriate for the Pope to be called "Holy Father"? 


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Topic starter Posted : 04/13/2026 3:03 pm
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The pope washes people's feet. The POTUS brags about grabbing women by the pussy.


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"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

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Posted : 04/13/2026 3:13 pm
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Posted by: @littlebitchbuckeye

Do you believe it's appropriate for the Pope to be called "Holy Father"? 

Catholics use this title merely to acknowledge the holy nature of the Pope's office, following directly in the footsteps of St. Peter, rather than signifying his personal holiness. 

I'm not a Catholic, but these are basic facts that (I thought) even idiots /MAGA fanboys ought to know.

https://www.catholic.com/qa/why-is-the-pope-called-the-holy-father-instead-of-just-father

 


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"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

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Posted : 04/13/2026 3:18 pm
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Posted by: @littlebitchbuckeye

Posted by: @arthur-dent

@littlebitchbuckeye Do you know that the Quran does in fact call Jesus the Messiah?

˹Remember˺ when the angels proclaimed, “O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word1 from Him, his name will be the Messiah,2 Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.

The same Google search that led me to above says the word Messiah is used 9 times in reference to Jesus.

Clearly there are huge differences between the religions. But I see no issue with trying to show respect when meeting people to build bridges. 

The word "messiah" in the Koran does not have the same meaning as it does in the Christian scriptures. Jesus is only a prophet in Islam and not the savior of all beings.

AI:

According to the Quran, Allah (God) is the only Savior and Deliverer who saves humanity from sin and the consequences of wrong actions. While Prophet Muhammad is regarded as a mercy to the worlds (21:107) and a guide, the Quran does not present him or any other prophet as a personal savior in the traditional, external sense.

 

And the word had different meanings in Jewish scriptures, too, although the Muslim understanding is closer to the Jewish one than the common Christian interpretation.

 


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Posted : 04/13/2026 3:19 pm
Shooter
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This would be a better depiction of Dear Leader

 

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HFxtUKWb0AElkyq?format=jpg&name=small


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"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

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Posted : 04/13/2026 3:25 pm
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Posted by: @shooter

Catholics use this title merely to acknowledge the holy nature of the Pope's office, following directly in the footsteps of St. Peter, rather than signifying his personal holiness. 

I'm not a Catholic, but these are basic facts that (I thought) even idiots /MAGA fanboys ought to know.

"Holy Father"???

Pope John XII: Elected at 18, he is notorious for turning the Papacy into a "brothel," committing murder, castrating cardinals, and dying while in bed with a married woman.

Pope Paul IV: A staunch enforcer of the Inquisition, his reign is often noted for intense torture and killing of "dissident" Christians.

Pope Benedict IX: Another notorious figure accused of committing murders and adulteries in broad daylight, described by some as a "hideous criminal".


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Topic starter Posted : 04/13/2026 3:32 pm
Shooter
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There have been some bad popes over the centuries, I grant you that. Often with a lust for wealth and power.  But that's a side topic you threw out as a distraction.  I was merely stating the well-known meaning of the term Holy Father with respect to the papacy. 


"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

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